Well, Suze, remember that a plain old TUMs tablet is chock full of calcium. Calcium does stimulate contractions but it doesn't have the same dangerous side effects that pit does. Myra
>From: "Susan A. Schlenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Primary Uterine Inertia? >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:40:26 -0400 > >Hi, Myra and Cathy, > ANY intervention I do at this time, the vet will want to be >involved. >This is partially because she likes it (does equine repro on Wed.). She >will give dopram to me, but no other intervention........she says it is >because she saw a ruptured uterus not too long ago when someone was too >eager with the pit. SIGH > So, our girl is getting those dabs of ice cream and also half a >slice >of American cheese twice daily. (She also is on regular vitamins). I'd >not be able to talk my vet into any injectables but dopram off of her >site. > >This was news to me and a new policy. Whenever we have discussed these >possibilities in past this policy didn't come up and I was welcome in >delivery and pit was avialable if needed after cervical dilation, etc. > >So, Cathy, I'm not distressed at this labor but at the possibility of >dealing with stuff I'd rather do at home having to be done at the vets. > >Suze > > >Myra Savant wrote: > > > > If you have a calcium supplement, give her a small amount of that >because > > that willl stimulate a contraction without the side effects of pitocin. >The > > one I like to use is CALSORB. A couple of CCs and it will stimulate > > contractions. > > > > >From: "Susan A. Schlenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: [CKCS-L] Primary Uterine Inertia? > > >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:29:55 -0400 > > > > > >Hi, List, > > >Now I really need an opinion. Same bitch, second > > >litter. Her temp dropped at 1:00 pm and stayed down yesterday. (As I > > >write it is 99.1). She was panting and nesting all night (I was > > >sleeping next to the whelping box or a reasonable facsimile of the > > >occasional nap). Water hasn't broken to my knowledge. > > > > > >The last time she whelped her temp pattern was as > > >follows: > > > > > >10:00 am, 99.8 10:00 pm, 100.0 > > >10:00 am, 99.2 2:00 pm, 99.6 10:00 pm 99.1 (began nesting and >panting > > >after midnight) > > >10:00 am, 98.8 12:45 pum, 99.1 4:00 pu, 97.8 10:00 pum 98.1 (water > > >broke > > >shortly after and productive labor began). > > > > > >She produced her first puppy "true breech" (upside down, breech) and > > >large, stuck. Placenta though attached was "thready" body of the pup > > >was ridged on presentation. Delivered with contractions/traction > > >slowly. Couldn't revive the pup with swinging, dopram, etc. Four > > >healthy pups free whelped followed. No further problems. Literature > > >suggests that in temp pattern such as above a pup has detached from the > > >uterine wall and is ready to be born. (Which is why we hear they > > >shouldn't labor in primary stage more than twenty four hours from temp > > >drop). > > > > > > > > >The current litter temp pattern: > > > > > >10:00 am, 100.1 2:00 pm 99.6 6:00 pm 99.4 9:45 pm, 99.1 panting and > > >mildly uncomfortable, nesting furiously and pacing the rest of the > > >night. > > > > > >We are waiting for her water to break and to see productive labor. OK > > >guys, I know they don't read the books, but they all say inertia if > > >temps are down twenty four hours. By mid day today do I officially > > >declare inertia? She is going for a short walks up and down the > > >driveway. > > >She has had ice cream in small dabs throughout the night and doesn't >yet > > >appear as exhausted as I feel. <G>) > > > > > >Today when I asked my vet her procedure for sections (if one > > >should be needed) she said I could resuscitate babies but they would be > > >whisked out to me and I couldn't be in surgery. She took over from her > > >brother.....another excellent vet also interested in repro and we had > > >had this discussion back then. (He told me that it was the exception >but > > >that I would be allowed into a section). I've not needed a section > > >before. Since my discussions with both vets (her brother is gone into > > >specialization), it seems that things have changed. > > > No choices today but to procede and hope we have normal labor > > >shortly. > > >I'm also told that her procedure for pitocin is i.v. and that she > > >prefers then to have the birthing THERE if any pitocin is needed. > > ><moan> > > > So, what has all of your experiences been with anything like > > >this? > > > > > >Help me talk this girl into productive contractions, eh? I'm off to > > >walk her on the driveway with a towel in hand. > > > > > > > > > > > >Suze > > >-- > > >Suze at Llawen Cavaliers > > >"...I have seen that in any great undertaking it is not enough for a >man > > >to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica > > >"Thought comes before speech" Luther Standing Bear > > > > > >========================================================= > > >"Magic Commands": > > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > >to start it up gain click here: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original >author. > > > > Myra Savant Gardengate Cavaliers > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > >-- >Suze at Llawen Cavaliers >"...I have seen that in any great undertaking it is not enough for a man >to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica >"Thought comes before speech" Luther Standing Bear > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. 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