Not picking one method or the other, but just wanted to add that Webmin strips 
out any comments that are located within a config file.  This may or may not 
be important to people, but if you wish to have the comments in the config 
files available at a later date, then make a back-up of these files before 
firing up Webmin.

Cheers!

Neil

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 15:24, Gustin Johnson wrote:
> TAB auto complete, screen, vim, tail -f /var/log/somelogfile
> 
> Webmin cannot compete with this.  It is an order of magnitude slower,
> especially for troubleshooting.
> 
> Having said that, webmin certainly has its place, but most of the time
> it gets in the way.
> 
> Jon wrote:
> > Great minds... :)
> >
> > I disagree that CLI is faster in all cases. I have so many servers now
> > that it's quite frequently easier to click, click, than it is to ssh,
> > type, type, type, type, type, type, type.
> >
> > However, it took me about a month to even start looking at the GUI
> > because I was so used to CLI.
> >
> > J
> >
> > Shawn wrote:
> > The problem with webmin though is that while the graphical interface is
> > convenient, you STILL need to know what you are doing with the
> > underlying server.  With samba, if you enter something for the directory
> > mask and get this wrong, you'll either not be able to access your
> > shares, or the security will be too open.  But this is a Samba problem,
> > not a webmin problem.
> >
> > So, after you go through the trouble of learning how to deal with your
> > service, you quickly find webmin more gets in your way than helps you.
> > THe time it takes to open a browser, navigate to webmin, login, make the
> > changes, save the changes - this adds a delay.  If you understand your
> > service that well, it's so much faster to just edit the text file in
> > question, without the network lag of a web browser.
> >
> > And if you end up editing the config files directly because you now know
> > enough to do so, then why do you need webmin?? :)
> >
> > I'm not saying "don't use webmin", but showing that webmin is but a
> > stepping stone in the path of server knowledge.
> >
> > On the other hand, seeing as webmin allows direct configuration of your
> > servers, you need to take precautions to ensure it is not accessible to
> > unauthorized folks.  It should never be made accessible outside the
> > local network - unless you know what your doing with the security side
> > of it.  Just a thought.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> >
> > Jon wrote:
> >>>> That's the rub, yes. Webmin modules simply put a nice HTML GUI into the
> >>>> various servers installed on a system. While it can apt-get (or yum) 
for
> >>>> you, in general it's not going to configure a server for you. The
> >>>> knowledge about how various apps should be configured still lies with
> >>>> the user.
> >>>>
> >>>> One thing that I do like GUIs for is that they frequently expose 
options
> >>>> that are otherwise unapparent. The Samba webmin module is a good 
example
> >>>> of a nice module that presents all of the 'obvious' Samba functionality
> >>>> (like Unix/Samba user sync, for example) right in your face. It's good
> >>>> for quick start stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> J


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Neil Bower
CLUG - http://clug.ca
Registered Linux User # 323470
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