I still betcha I can..say...turn on CHAP authentication on 21 pptpd servers with Webmin faster than you can with ssh. 8 clicks and typing two words per site. Maybe 3-4 seconds per site depending on connectivity.
Having said that, I can SCP a new config file up to 21 servers much faster than Webmin again, but I would have to restart the pptpd server as well. I'm not saying Webmin is better. I'm definitely in favour of CLI, but I agree with your statement that GUIs (well, you said Webmin) have their place. I probably still spend 80% of my time on CLI. Webmin is only faster perhaps that 20% of the time. Maybe less to someone with your Jedi skills :) J Gustin Johnson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > TAB auto complete, screen, vim, tail -f /var/log/somelogfile > > Webmin cannot compete with this. It is an order of magnitude slower, > especially for troubleshooting. > > Having said that, webmin certainly has its place, but most of the time > it gets in the way. > > Jon wrote: >> Great minds... :) >> >> I disagree that CLI is faster in all cases. I have so many servers now >> that it's quite frequently easier to click, click, than it is to ssh, >> type, type, type, type, type, type, type. >> >> However, it took me about a month to even start looking at the GUI >> because I was so used to CLI. >> >> J >> >> Shawn wrote: >> The problem with webmin though is that while the graphical interface is >> convenient, you STILL need to know what you are doing with the >> underlying server. With samba, if you enter something for the directory >> mask and get this wrong, you'll either not be able to access your >> shares, or the security will be too open. But this is a Samba problem, >> not a webmin problem. >> >> So, after you go through the trouble of learning how to deal with your >> service, you quickly find webmin more gets in your way than helps you. >> THe time it takes to open a browser, navigate to webmin, login, make the >> changes, save the changes - this adds a delay. If you understand your >> service that well, it's so much faster to just edit the text file in >> question, without the network lag of a web browser. >> >> And if you end up editing the config files directly because you now know >> enough to do so, then why do you need webmin?? :) >> >> I'm not saying "don't use webmin", but showing that webmin is but a >> stepping stone in the path of server knowledge. >> >> On the other hand, seeing as webmin allows direct configuration of your >> servers, you need to take precautions to ensure it is not accessible to >> unauthorized folks. It should never be made accessible outside the >> local network - unless you know what your doing with the security side >> of it. Just a thought. >> >> Shawn >> >> >> Jon wrote: >>>>> That's the rub, yes. Webmin modules simply put a nice HTML GUI into the >>>>> various servers installed on a system. While it can apt-get (or yum) for >>>>> you, in general it's not going to configure a server for you. The >>>>> knowledge about how various apps should be configured still lies with >>>>> the user. >>>>> >>>>> One thing that I do like GUIs for is that they frequently expose options >>>>> that are otherwise unapparent. The Samba webmin module is a good example >>>>> of a nice module that presents all of the 'obvious' Samba functionality >>>>> (like Unix/Samba user sync, for example) right in your face. It's good >>>>> for quick start stuff. >>>>> >>>>> J >>> > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > >> _______________________________________________ >> clug-talk mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) >> **Please remove these lines when replying > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFnC0VwRXgH3rKGfMRAubDAJ4+hS9s4GnRroQQTb2TxVvAo1Qx1wCePQwH > tc0+F65ZOcJr6geM+zXS8UQ= > =bM7K > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
