Hello Daniel and Jeff I am also a Canadian I have spent most of my adult life with CML. Last year due to some problems I spent 8 or 9 trips to the Hospital. I cannot tell you how fast I was put in bed at the VG. I had doctors visit me all the time. Well as you
can see I survived, I cannot imagine any place in the world that looked after me as well. There are just so many patients looking for care at the ER's and they complain about time waiting. Well let me tell you if your sick .. your looked after as fast as can be. If this means that someone with a cold has to wait then that is the way it is. I would rather be in our small hospital down this way, than anyplace in the world. SkipD Dx'ed 33 years ago. (they keep me alive) ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff J <[email protected]> To: CMLHope <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 3:32:38 PM Subject: [CMLHope] Re: Digest for [email protected] - 4 Messages in 2 Topics Hello Daniel, Just a short note in regards to your opinion of the Canadian health plan. I am a Canadian living in Ontario, and have never had a problem with our health care system. Having CML is the second cancer that I have had over my 50 yrs. The first was bone cancer when I was 15 yrs old. The service then was very fast....same day at my Doctor, Surgeon, and admitted to hospital. Treatment was fast and good (still here to prove it). Oct /09 dx'ed with CLM, also fast appt's and treatment, within a few days to specialist. Everytime I've needed medical care, it was there without a wait! Only can only speak for myself and the people around me, but when someone needs medical care in a hurry, it is there for them. There are always cases where the ball gets dropped, but that happens in every country, even the USA. So please don't believe everything you read about the terrible system in Canada, because thats just not the case. Hope this gives you another idea of the health care in Canada. Enjoy your day. Jeff On Feb 5, 6:04 pm, Daniel Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't hold your breath. > > I have never wanted to be dependent on any government for my needs. > Governments >through the history of man, have always turned tyrannical (name 1 that >didn't), >and our founders knew that, and tried to create a system that left the >individual responsible to determine their own fate and "pursuit of happiness", >not the government. Doesn't it bother anyone that a union that donated 70 >million dollars to the present presidents campaign, gets special dispensations >from this administration, and that this government is going to FORCE you to >buy >something you may not want or need? By the way is that a tax? > > I also know that each one of us is surviving because of the best healthcare >system in the world, bar none. Canada's socialist system has waiting lists for >tests and procedures of up to six months. If they need an CT, well, that will >be >a 6 month wait. If the CT finds a brain tumor that will be another 6 month >wait. >It is so bad right now that even the Canadian Supreme court has ruled that >being >placed on a waiting list isn't access to healthcare. If you doubt me copy and >paste linkhttp://neamh.cns.uni.edu/MedInfo/canadian_healthcare.html. Let me >ask >you a question, how long did you have to wait for healthcare when you were >diagnosed with CML? I for one was diagnosed at 11:00 am and was admitted to >the >first local hospital by 12:00 noon and to the second hospital 250 miles away >by >11:00 PM that same day, and treatments started by midnight, lets see that >happen >in England or Canada or anywhere else. It is one of the few things that this >country maintains it superiority over every other country in the world, yet we >want to fix it? > > Does it not bother you that the healthcare bill is probably unconstitutional? >Our constitution was meant to limit what government can do to us and/or for >us. >Don't bother saying that we are already forced to by auto insurance so whats >the >difference? The difference is that mandatory car insurance is required by the >states not the federal government. Look, our constitution was created to >protect >us from government. Now your going to trash it? When I was in the military >in1967, I swore to protect and defend the constitution of the United States of >America, and I don't believe there was a statute of limitations on that oath. >The same thing goes for our elected officials when they took office. > > We are presently bankrupt as a country, yet we are creating the biggest >entitlement program we have ever tried. Right now, the gross national product >( >the total of everything produced in this country in goods and services) is >$14,500,000,000,000. Do you know how much our country is in debt right now >$14,100,000,000,000. Take a look for yourself. > > http://www.usdebtclock.org/ > > Just to give you some idea of the size and scope of this program, try this on >for size. The largest salaried organization in the world is the Chinese Army. >No >real surprise there is it? The second largest is the Indian railroad. Who >would >have thought that India's railroad was that big? Are you ready for the third >largest employer in the world? The British healthcare system!!! Does that give >you any concept of what this healthcare bill takes over and just how big it >will >be and much it will cost? > > Right now, the federal government subsidizes, (depending on the state) up to >2/3 of the state Medicaid cost for the individual states. For example, if >state >X contributes 1.5 Billion dollars to the State Medicaid program, the Federal >government will contribute an additional 3.0 Billion. You may say so what? >Well >Medicaid will be doubled in size under the federal healthcare bill and within >5 >years, the states will be left to fund the full thing without any federal >matching funds (you may remember Nebraska was almost exempted). So just how >much >will your state have to raise your taxes to pay for that new state program. >The >pity to this little jewel, is that this wasn't added into the Congressional >Budget Office (CBO) cost forecasts, because the feds aren't going to have to >tax >you for it, the state governments will, and almost all of them are in a >serious >debt crisis already. > > The healthcare bill said it was going to reduce Medicare payments by 500 >million dollars. Now just how do you think they are going to do that. In short >they aren't and if you do believe that, I have a bridge in San Francisco I'll >sell you real cheap. Even if they did cut expenditures in Medicare, it will be >by reducing benefits. However, that won't happen, because everyone will riot >over that. > > Look, why can't we build this system step by step over time to make sure > we're >not going to go into further bankruptcy. There is also another thing called >the >rule of unintended consequences. What unintended consequences will this >massive >bill create? No one knows since by definition it's unintended consequences. > On Feb 4, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Minsu KYEONG wrote: > > > > > Daniel, > > > Will you take some time looking at the health care reform act? > > > I know why you have such abhorrance against government doing anything. > > But think about whether private-is-all-efficient rule is another > > propaganda. > > > From the point of view of a foreigner who once lived in the U.S., the > > country has one of the worst health insurance systems and I feel > > relieved that the health care reform act made it at least a little > > better. And I hope you will realize it soon and add a helping hand in > > making it better. > > > On 2월4일, 오전12시50분, Daniel Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Victoria, I think you missed my point. You wrote, "Our representatives in >Congress receive health-care coverage that every other citizen in the country >would love to have", and you are absolutely right, "every citizen in the >country >would love to have it"! > > >> My question was, if the new healthcare bill is so great, why are our > >> elected >representatives in the house and senate exempted from having to be on it. Why >do >they get to stay on their own special health insurance. I would think that it >would be the moral and ethical thing for them to say, "that we are so >confident >in the quality of care in this new healthcare bill, that we will go on it just >like everyone else in the country"! > > >> Wouldn't that have been proof that they really believe this healthcare > >> bill >is a good thing? Plus, there is a moral and ethical responsibility to do so, >wouldn't you think? I mean, how moral is it to do something to everyone else >that your not willing to do to yourself? > > >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Victoria Reiter wrote: > > >>> Our representatives in Congress receive health-care coverage that every >other citizen in the country would love to have > > > -- > > [CMLHope] > > A support group ofhttp://cmlhope.com > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"CMLHope" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected] > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope- >Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com ------------------------------------------------- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CMLHope" group. 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