Yes, I have read Grisham's, "The Rain Maker" and many of his other novels! Better yet, have you read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged"? There's my challenge to you!
As with everything, there are bad insurance companies, but there are far, far more good insurance companies, and it is a shame that the bad ones have to exist at all. But, there are many,many more that are providing the coverage they are supposed to provide than those that are not. Do you want me to assume all people in the world are the same as the mass murders you see in the news? No, almost all people are basically good, but there are those that are not, just like insurance companies. Most of us know who the reputable companies are. And yes, they tend to be more expensive because they do pay when they are supposed to. Kind of makes sense doesn't it? Look, this is the bottom line, when all is said in done Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, under funded public employee pensions and under funded private and union company pensions are all on the table for the private citizens of this country to bail out. All of those items listed above will go bankrupt if not addressed soon, real soon. Even if I supported the government controlling my healthcare, it is not financially possible in our present situation. In 1967 President Johnson moved the Social Security Trust Fund out of it's separate fund and into the general revenue coffers of the government to finance his "war on poverty" and his "great society", and how has that worked out. Well, now that the baby boomers are retiring at a rate of 10,000 per day (just think about that number every day) and going on Social Security and Medicare and the money just isn't there. To make bad matters worse, Medicare will run out of money even sooner than Social Security. Now we want to add 40,000,000 million more people on the backs of those that are still trying to work and support their families. Is this fair to them? No matter how you view it, someone has to pay these bills. Is it fair that many many people who have paid into these programs their entire lives, are probably going to get stiffed and not get the full benefits they they were promised? No, absolutely not ! In fact it is criminal! It almost sounds like the insurance company in the "Rain Maker" doesn't it? Now, just who's fault is it that these programs are not going to be able to pay out the bills that are going to come due? Is it the fault of you and me who voted for these politicians, or the fault of the government, that spent all that money on programs to buy our votes? I guess it really doesn't matter now, because we are where we are,... broke! Just do me a favor, and read, "Atlas Shrugged". It's thick, but it's worth the effort. Let me know what you think, would you? Thanks for the debate Minsu, and everyone else who have responded, and I don't intend to sound mean. It's just that the individual freedoms granted to us in this country are important to me, and it seems to have worked very well for over 2 hundred years, and I see those freedoms in jeopardy right now in order to pay off these massive debts created by mismanagement! On Feb 7, 2011, at 5:25 AM, Minsu KYEONG wrote: > But private insurance companies never worked the way Daniel fancied. > You don't trust your government but you trust private insurance > companies? > Have you ever read John Grisham's Rainmaker? > > On 2월7일, 오전9시16분, Daniel Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >> Jeff, >> >> These aren't my numbers, these are Canadian numbers: Evidently other >> Canadians in other Provinces aren't as lucky as you have been. >> >> But I do know, that every American has access to the same experience I have >> had! I live in probably the least medically sophisticated place in the >> United States, rural Arkansas in the middle of the Ozarks. You know, where >> all the hillbillies with missing teeth are marrying their cousins,(if you >> watch the news), yet healthcare was available immediately even for me. And >> this is something we feel the need to fix? >> >> I also know that Canada is a good place and that their government cares for >> it's people, and I didn't mean to cast a bad light on their attempt to >> provide a beneficial healthcare system to it's citizens. However, it does >> point to the need to go slowly in developing a healthcare system to avoid >> the unforeseen pitfalls! >> >> http://www.project2112.org/chart/comparison---us-vs-canadian-healthcare-system/ >> >> http://thecitysquare.blogspot.com/2009/06/canadian-health-care-collap... >> >> http://www.canada.com/nanaimodailynews/news/story.html?id=2972a740-0c... >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html >> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1337202/pdf/cmaj00053-015... >> >> I know we all think our country is better than everyone elses, but when I >> read, supposedly objective articles like these, I am left to wonder! >> Especially, when your Supreme court feels the need to rule on the waiting >> lists. Something our Supreme court hasn't needed to rule on. YET! >> >> By the way, this is my second cancer also, (something we share). My prostate >> surgery (five years after my CML diagnosis) by robot, was 7 days after my >> positive prostate biopsy, which was 4 days after my positive PSA blood test, >> which was 4 days after my office visit, which was 3 days after I called for >> the non-GP referred appointment. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 6, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Jeff J wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello Daniel, >> >>> Just a short note in regards to your opinion of the Canadian health >>> plan. I am a Canadian living in Ontario, and have never had a problem >>> with our health care system. Having CML is the second cancer that I >>> have had over my 50 yrs. The first was bone cancer when I was 15 yrs >>> old. The service then was very fast....same day at my Doctor, >>> Surgeon, and admitted to hospital. Treatment was fast and good (still >>> here to prove it). Oct /09 dx'ed with CLM, also fast appt's and >>> treatment, within a few days to specialist. Everytime I've needed >>> medical care, it was there without a wait! >> >>> Only can only speak for myself and the people around me, but when >>> someone needs medical care in a hurry, it is there for them. There >>> are always cases where the ball gets dropped, but that happens in >>> every country, even the USA. So please don't believe everything you >>> read about the terrible system in Canada, because thats just not the >>> case. Hope this gives you another idea of the health care in >>> Canada. Enjoy your day. Jeff >> >>> On Feb 5, 6:04 pm, Daniel Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Don't hold your breath. >> >>>> I have never wanted to be dependent on any government for my needs. >>>> Governments through the history of man, have always turned tyrannical >>>> (name 1 that didn't), and our founders knew that, and tried to create a >>>> system that left the individual responsible to determine their own fate >>>> and "pursuit of happiness", not the government. Doesn't it bother anyone >>>> that a union that donated 70 million dollars to the present presidents >>>> campaign, gets special dispensations from this administration, and that >>>> this government is going to FORCE you to buy something you may not want or >>>> need? By the way is that a tax? >> >>>> I also know that each one of us is surviving because of the best >>>> healthcare system in the world, bar none. Canada's socialist system has >>>> waiting lists for tests and procedures of up to six months. If they need >>>> an CT, well, that will be a 6 month wait. If the CT finds a brain tumor >>>> that will be another 6 month wait. It is so bad right now that even the >>>> Canadian Supreme court has ruled that being placed on a waiting list isn't >>>> access to healthcare. If you doubt me copy and paste >>>> linkhttp://neamh.cns.uni.edu/MedInfo/canadian_healthcare.html. Let me ask >>>> you a question, how long did you have to wait for healthcare when you were >>>> diagnosed with CML? I for one was diagnosed at 11:00 am and was admitted >>>> to the first local hospital by 12:00 noon and to the second hospital 250 >>>> miles away by 11:00 PM that same day, and treatments started by midnight, >>>> lets see that happen in England or Canada or anywhere else. It is one of >>>> the few things that this country maintains it superiority over every other >>>> country in the world, yet we want to fix it? >> >>>> Does it not bother you that the healthcare bill is probably >>>> unconstitutional? Our constitution was meant to limit what government can >>>> do to us and/or for us. Don't bother saying that we are already forced to >>>> by auto insurance so whats the difference? The difference is that >>>> mandatory car insurance is required by the states not the federal >>>> government. Look, our constitution was created to protect us from >>>> government. Now your going to trash it? When I was in the military in1967, >>>> I swore to protect and defend the constitution of the United States of >>>> America, and I don't believe there was a statute of limitations on that >>>> oath. The same thing goes for our elected officials when they took office. >> >>>> We are presently bankrupt as a country, yet we are creating the biggest >>>> entitlement program we have ever tried. Right now, the gross national >>>> product ( the total of everything produced in this country in goods and >>>> services) is $14,500,000,000,000. Do you know how much our country is in >>>> debt right now $14,100,000,000,000. Take a look for yourself. >> >>>> http://www.usdebtclock.org/ >> >>>> Just to give you some idea of the size and scope of this program, try this >>>> on for size. The largest salaried organization in the world is the Chinese >>>> Army. No real surprise there is it? The second largest is the Indian >>>> railroad. Who would have thought that India's railroad was that big? Are >>>> you ready for the third largest employer in the world? The British >>>> healthcare system!!! Does that give you any concept of what this >>>> healthcare bill takes over and just how big it will be and much it will >>>> cost? >> >>>> Right now, the federal government subsidizes, (depending on the state) up >>>> to 2/3 of the state Medicaid cost for the individual states. For example, >>>> if state X contributes 1.5 Billion dollars to the State Medicaid program, >>>> the Federal government will contribute an additional 3.0 Billion. You may >>>> say so what? Well Medicaid will be doubled in size under the federal >>>> healthcare bill and within 5 years, the states will be left to fund the >>>> full thing without any federal matching funds (you may remember Nebraska >>>> was almost exempted). So just how much will your state have to raise your >>>> taxes to pay for that new state program. The pity to this little jewel, is >>>> that this wasn't added into the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) cost >>>> forecasts, because the feds aren't going to have to tax you for it, the >>>> state governments will, and almost all of them are in a serious debt >>>> crisis already. >> >>>> The healthcare bill said it was going to reduce Medicare payments by 500 >>>> million dollars. Now just how do you think they are going to do that. In >>>> short they aren't and if you do believe that, I have a bridge in San >>>> Francisco I'll sell you real cheap. Even if they did cut expenditures in >>>> Medicare, it will be by reducing benefits. However, that won't happen, >>>> because everyone will riot over that. >> >>>> Look, why can't we build this system step by step over time to make sure >>>> we're not going to go into further bankruptcy. There is also another thing >>>> called the rule of unintended consequences. What unintended consequences >>>> will this massive bill create? No one knows since by definition it's >>>> unintended consequences. >>>> On Feb 4, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Minsu KYEONG wrote: >> >>>>> Daniel, >> >>>>> Will you take some time looking at the health care reform act? >> >>>>> I know why you have such abhorrance against government doing anything. >>>>> But think about whether private-is-all-efficient rule is another >>>>> propaganda. >> >>>>> From the point of view of a foreigner who once lived in the U.S., the >>>>> country has one of the worst health insurance systems and I feel >>>>> relieved that the health care reform act made it at least a little >>>>> better. And I hope you will realize it soon and add a helping hand in >>>>> making it better. >> >>>>> On 2월4일, 오전12시50분, Daniel Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Victoria, I think you missed my point. You wrote, "Our representatives >>>>>> in Congress receive health-care coverage that every other citizen in the >>>>>> country would love to have", and you are absolutely right, "every >>>>>> citizen in the country would love to have it"! >> >>>>>> My question was, if the new healthcare bill is so great, why are our >>>>>> elected representatives in the house and senate exempted from having to >>>>>> be on it. Why do they get to stay on their own special health insurance. >>>>>> I would think that it would be the moral and ethical thing for them to >>>>>> say, "that we are so confident in the quality of care in this new >>>>>> healthcare bill, that we will go on it just like everyone else in the >>>>>> country"! >> >>>>>> Wouldn't that have been proof that they really believe this healthcare >>>>>> bill is a good thing? Plus, there is a moral and ethical responsibility >>>>>> to do so, wouldn't you think? I mean, how moral is it to do something to >>>>>> everyone else that your not willing to do to yourself? >> >>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Victoria Reiter wrote: >> >>>>>>> Our representatives in Congress receive health-care coverage that every >>>>>>> other citizen in the country would love to have >> >>>>> -- >>>>> [CMLHope] >>>>> A support group ofhttp://cmlhope.com >> >> ... >> >> 추가 정보 >> > > -- > [CMLHope] > A support group of http://cmlhope.com > ------------------------------------------------- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CMLHope" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CMLHope -- [CMLHope] A support group of http://cmlhope.com ------------------------------------------------- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CMLHope" group. 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