Dear Jeannie,

I am anxious...but do feel I have to detox....will go back on very soon. won't 
wait too long, have no fear.. love . Thanks for your always positive 
messages....Beth



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Icandoallttc' via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2015 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day



Happy Thanksgiving Beth and all.  
I worry about you being off Sprycel but I know you have to do what you feel is 
best. 
I got sick the first of the year with bad jaw ache and just felt terrible.  I 
took it upon myself to go off sprycel and by the time I got back to my doctor I 
had accelerated cml.  he tested for mutation and I had one. That is when he put 
me in ponatinib.   
I am doing well but still have the Phillies in my blood.  
Keep a close check on your blood sweet Beth.  
Love❤️😇💋

My Motto: Faith and Pills
Jeanie 🐟🐟18,s 
Dx 1/2004. CML Leukemia
Started Gleevec 2/2004
Started Tasigna  9/2009
Started Sprycel 11/2009
Started Ponatinib January 2015
Dr Balducci Moffitt Cancer Center


On Nov 25, 2015, at 2:13 PM, bkbarney via CMLHope <[email protected]> 
wrote:



thanks Richard.... And happy Thanksgiving Day to everyone tomorrow.. I hope 
everyone here finds themselves in a place that is peaceful and lifegiving this 
holiday. I wish you all a feel good kind of day in every way....

off sprycel for 2.5 weeks thus far.. initially felt a lot better..but last 
couple of days..autoimmune...whatever is creeping in with that deep fatigue in 
my muscles etc....doing detox..thanks for the advice all..I am going to take 
some supplements I cannot take with sprycel in the hopes of cleaning and 
calming my system...


will keep you all posted..thinking of each and everyone here....


group hug. Beth.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard H <[email protected]>
To: CMLHope <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day



great news that you are getting a breather from the meds. I hope your counts 
stay low enough you get a few MONTHS instead of weeks.  We are praying for that.

Richard H.

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-6, Beth wrote:
Dear Susan,


Concerned to hear your news...I know you wanted to hear better..It's so hard 
when we hit an unexpected bump in the road....when are you coming back to see 
your doc? I am in town except for Dec. 12-19th...would love to meet you this 
time. And Greenie....will be in Fort Myers so hopefully can see you and your 
sweetie..and my other cml buddies who live down south...chemo brain...forgive 
me!.


I have gone off everything...my BCR was good enough to take some time to 
cleanse my body...was just too sick....will go back on in a few 
weeks...enjoying GRAPEFRUIT!!! for a couple of weeks!.


Love to all and a happy and healthy Thanksgiving to each and everyone of you...


18's  and love, Beth



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Susan Zimmerman' via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2015 8:26 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day


Hi all,


My bcr/abl results were not as great as I hoped.  Last time I was 
.012.....almost to zero.  This time I expected to be zero, but alas I am up to 
.348.  So doc wants me to go to 300 mg bosulif, instead of 100 mg.  I am 
compromising and will go to 200 so I don't have to stay in the bathroom all 
day.  I was ready to get a local test next time and forego going to Chicago 
every 3 months.  Now she wants to see me in one month after I up the dose.  
Ugh!  So thankful I do have a wonderful doc even if I do decide myself on my 
dosage.  She does not put me down about it, and supports me in every way. 


Beth, keeping my fingers crossed for you and saying a prayer.  Marty, you are 
so loved and hope your kidney stuff is getting better.  Your pics were 
beautiful.   


18's and blessings,

Susan Z




-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day



Yes since everything has been going on I had leave my home in PA empty for 
nearly two years, but let me tell you something about that crisp clean air and 
simply beautiful colors of all of the trees that you can see for miles. An 
example is route 97 which separates upstate NY from PA with the Delaware river 
in between them. Route 97 goes from Port Jervis all the way down to past 
Hancock NY, and is considered the most scenic road it the United States. Right 
near Port Jervis there is route 97 winding like a snake on the edge of the road 
and is about 1,000 feet above the Delaware River.


I have driven in that area and I wouldn't ever drive on it in the snow or at 
night. If by chance your ever there and I am in PA it is only right across the 
Robeling bridge which is actually a one lane wooden bridge only allowing one 
way of traffic then once it stops then the other way.  


I am wishing you well with your results.


Don't forget to let everyone know.


18's,


Marty







On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:31 PM, bkbarney via CMLHope <[email protected]> 
wrote:

Hi all,


Just saying hi! Wanted you all to know that I am thinking of you and sending 
everyone a big hug and happy fall wishes... I know some of you southern 
folks..will enjoy your 90 degree Florida temperatures coming down...but us up 
north are enjoying the beauty of fall..it's cold today, but should be back up 
in the 60's by Sunday....Indian summer.....I just love it...


did BCR on Monday..waiting for results..then will decide plan for next few 
months...


love, hugs and 18's to all, 




Beth



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Icandoallttc' via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2015 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day



Hi Beth 
I can never go off the meds either. My counts will shoot up fast. 
Good luck
❤️

My Motto: Faith and Pills
Jeanie 🐟🐟18,s 
Dx 1/2004. CML Leukemia
Started Gleevec 2/2004
Started Tasigna  9/2009
Started Sprycel 11/2009
Started Ponatinib January 2015
Dr Balducci Moffitt Cancer Center


On Oct 11, 2015, at 1:43 AM, bkbarney via CMLHope <[email protected]> 
wrote:



Dear Jeannie, Richard, Susan, Marty, et al...thanks very much for responding to 
my question. I am scared, but want to try something to help myself. We will see 
what Dr.Druker has to say. In the mean time, what I do know, having been off of 
sprycel for months at a time to deal with major surgeries several times, is 
that I always come out of remission, and quickly. I don't hold without the 
sprycel. Usually the cells are showing at very low numbers, but it means that 
without the agent that keeps them in check, cancer grows. I wish this were not 
so. And I know it's not for some lucky folks. Maybe with time, this will change 
for me. For now I am developing a plan..will keep you all posted. 


love and 18's Beth



-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Gartenberg <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 5:56 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day



Hi Jeannie, Beth, Richard as well as everyone on this site,


I have a friend (not had a friend, and still have this friend) who had CML a 
little while after I had my transplant. At the time there were no TKI's but 
there were only two things available. One was a bone marrow transplant which 
was in it's infancy at the time and the other was Alpha interferon but on an 
early study basis which actually was a blind study. Depending on if those in 
this study would be receiving this Alpha Interferon or a placebo.


Even before my friend I had to chose the Interferon or the placebo in this 
blind study. I spoke with a lot of oncologists about what to do. However there 
were no concise answers because on one hand there was something that was still 
in a blind study and who would know if that would even be given to this patient 
or would the BMT be the way to go?


However, since there were no matching donors, but one, his brother who refused, 
and I could never understand that, but since there were no other choices he had 
no other choice but to try that blind study. Well he was lucky enough to be 
accepted. And I have to tell you that he really suffered some really bad side 
effects for years afterwards. 


Eventually they were unable to detect any more CML, but he still refused to go 
off of the Alpha Interferon and I suppose this was a crutch in his life so he 
still remained on it for many years. So I guess that he finally decided to go 
off of it. Once that happened his life took a dramatic turn. No more side 
effects and no more CML, and he is still alive and doing remarkably well today. 


As far as me, well my only choice was the BMT because of two reasons. Since my 
white blood counts were at the time over 486,000 and doubtful that I would 
survive, but basically the same thing with the BMT but at least I had my sister 
as a donor who just happened to be a perfect HLA match. So I tried the BMT, and 
it worked.


But yet there is still more to this story and some of you might remember Zavie 
Miller and all three of us used to get together, and called ourselves The Three 
Musketeers. This was well after Zavie got to know Dr. Druker and he was started 
on STI-571 which when approved by the FDA turned into 
Gleevec. 


So after that we all turned into The Three Musketeers. All of this is ancient   
history but my point is that whether to go off or continue on the TKI's because 
you may be actually "cured" of CML but you may still hold the touch of the 
crutch. So you see that there are different strokes for different people.


Fortunately I don't have to make the choice because I already did and believe 
me I really did suffer, but in the end it was worth it.


Now knowing what I would do if my circumstances were different I think that I 
would be off these TKI's and live my life, and if something happens then you 
will have to deal with it, and you will. Remember a crutch is a terrible thing 
to have.


I spend a lot of time trying to help, and your all very special people to me as 
I am to you.


Those are my words of wisdom and please never forget what 18's stands for. It 
is life yours and mine!


18's


Marty  




i 



On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Richard H <[email protected]> wrote:

Just a quick glimpse about a med break.  The end of March when I went to the 
hospital with Vertigo, The short break I had on medicine did wonders for me.  
Found some I shouldn't have been taking, stopped some all together.  I have 
felt so much better that I would do it again under total control.  Worried? 
Yes, but I realized afterwards it should have been done earlier.

Richard H.  

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 4:27:30 PM UTC-5, Beth wrote:

HI Jeannie and all, ...I am due for BCR abl testing so should get it in the 
next two weeks, results two weeks later...so I will update when I know 
more...Had a consult today at the Block Center here in Illinois.People tend to 
love him or hate him... I really like him. He thinks all my issues are sprycel 
related. Thinks I should go off everything and have drug holiday to give my 
autoimmune system a rest....steroids briefly to try and lower cpk so I can move 
better without such a severe boomerang effect.  Back issues are no worse. 
That's good news from my end....since there have been several of my fellow 
warriors here who have lost there remissions spontaneously after years of 
successful treatment with their TKI's.  I am scared to go off, unless I have to 
...ie. like I did for past surgeries....however, I am thinking about 
it...perhaps I am just too toxic, and time off would help me to rebuild and 
repair, and tolerate better the TKI"s when I re-uptake in the future......so I 
am sitting with this decision..Not sure what I am going to do...except pray, 
and listen to other's words of wisdom....I know if I ask Dr. Druker, he would 
be fine with my taking a drug holiday..but I emailed anyway......thoughts from 
my friends here????


Love and 18;s, Beth


-----Original Message-----





From: 'Icandoallttc' via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2015 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day



Hi Beth and how are you?? 
Would love to have an update on all.  Thanks!! ❤️❤️

My Motto: Faith and Pills
Jeanie 🐟🐟18,s 
Dx 1/2004. CML Leukemia
Started Gleevec 2/2004
Started Tasigna  9/2009
Started Sprycel 11/2009
Started Ponatinib January 2015
Dr Balducci Moffitt Cancer Center


On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:35 AM, bkbarney via CMLHope <[email protected]> 
wrote:



Dear Richard,
Sounds like good news all the way around. Hope your counts continue to hold 
well and the November visit to the onc is a positive one! Your wife is healing 
well..slow and steady. Thanks for sharing the good news....Keeping you both in 
my thoughts and prayers. Beth





-----Original Message-----
From: 'Icandoallttc' via CMLHope <[email protected]>
To: cmlhope <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: Re: [CMLHope] Test Day



Hi Richard and happy you are better.  I hope your wife will be home soon. 
Prayers always. 

My Motto: Faith and Pills
Jeanie 🐟🐟18,s 
Dx 1/2004. CML Leukemia
Started Gleevec 2/2004
Started Tasigna  9/2009
Started Sprycel 11/2009
Started Ponatinib January 2015
Dr Balducci Moffitt Cancer Center


On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:01 AM, Richard H <[email protected]> wrote:



All is good at this house.  Saw Kidney Dr. and my tests have improved the last 
3 times.  Took my CBC and I am keeping my Hem. is holding at 10.  I hope it 
stays there until the end of Nov. when I visit my ONC.  

My wife is improving, and will see the Dr. Oct. 21st to see if she can start 
putting weight on the right side.  Shoulder seems to be healing nicely.  She 
has the healing knot on the shoulder and is feeding herself with her right hand 
and is raising the upper arm to almost shoulder height without pain.  We are 
hoping she can come home in Nov. when she can get out of the wheel chair and up 
and down without help.  Due to heart surgery and a pacemaker all I can due is 
call for help if she has a problem.

18's

Richard H. 


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