Rob's comments are very interesting and lead me to believe that the "MK1" was a custom racer/cruiser version of the 1 tonner. I would guess that not many of these were built. I also am starting to believe that we all own the production version (MK2 if you want) of the 38. I don't think C&C ever made any distinction of mk1 or mk2 on these boats. Rob's comment about the beam measurement is a puzzler to me, all the literature lists the beam as being 12', not 12.79' but it definitely is a wide boat. I also have always been puzzled by the hull numbers, Rick's early 1976 is hull #47 and my 1976 is #100; that's an unbelievable number of boats to be built in less than a year. They didn't build that many 30's in a year! Rob also commented that he didn't think they built a 100 of the production 38 (Mk2) and that fits with the sailboatdata figure of 98 boats built. Looks to me like they skipped a bunch of hull numbers (shortly after Rick's boat). I can't think of a good reason to do that but it may explain why the whole mk1/mk2 thing evolved. The more I think about this the more convinced I am becoming that the Mk1 was a custom racer/cruiser version of the 1 tonner and starting in 1975 C&C introduced the production 38 which what we all own. James Taylor S/V Delaney 1976 C&C 38 (Mk?) Oriental, NC
----- Original Message ----- From: David via CnC-List To: CNC CNC Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:07 AM Subject: Stus-List FW: C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2m Response To Jim and all C & C 38 owners... See below from the "wise old C &C designer" David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:24:58 -0400 I can’t figure out what 38 Mark 1 and Mark 2 are . . . . I’m getting old you know , . . . and I don’t have Jim’s e-mail address . . . The comments he makes don’t fit my impression of the two 38’s that I’m thinking of . . . To me the Mark one was an IOR One Ton hull made into a racer cruiser . . . The Mark Two was the first design I did entirely on the computer and it is/was wildly different from the Mark One, and it is the widest boat (for its’ size) that I ever did, so the comments don’t fit . . . The beam on Mark1 is 12.16 and the Mark 2 is 12.79 . . . So, there must be two versions of the original 38, that I’m forgetting, and a change of rudder and ballast is a realistic possibility – but the beam would be the same on both, and for sure the two keels cannot be that different. I show the ballast as being 5980 lb. for the Mark 1 . . . So – I’d like more details . . . . I am quite sure we did not build even a hundred of what I think of as the mark 2 . . . . Cheers, Rob Ball Chief Design Engineer Edson International Tel 508-995-9711 Fax 508-995-5021 Email: [email protected] www.edsonintl.com From: David [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:32 PM To: Rob Ball Subject: FW: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2 Rob, Forgive the last sentence but could you shed some light on the topic below. Thanks in advance. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:23:57 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2 > From: [email protected] > > When I was buying my 38 Mk 2 (hull #132) recently, the prior owner told > me the difference between the mk1 and mk2 was a deeper rudder and more > keel ballast on the mk2. > He said those adjustments were made to try to provide better downwind > control in broachable conditions. > > Sailboatdata.com seems to at least partially back him up though their > numbers are confusing. They have the mk2 with 6800 lbs of ballast > compared to the mk1 with 4400. Yet they both are listed with > displacements of 14,700. The other difference they show is a slightly > beamier mk1. > > I agree that if the designs were even mildly different, the PHRFs would > likely reflect that and don't. So I probably just complicated this > search for Hoffa's remains but the subject has puzzled me as well, so > thought I'd throw in what I'd heard. > > I wish there was a wise old C&C designer on this list to resolve such > mysteries. > > Jim Lynch > > Alcyone > 1977 38-2 > Olympia, Wa > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > [email protected] > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Total Control Panel Login To: [email protected] From: [email protected] Remove this sender from my allow list You received this message because the sender is on your allow list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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