Some hull numbers were saved for offshore/US production, whether or not it happened.
Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 29 June 2014 19:03, jtsails via CnC-List <[email protected]> wrote: > Rob's comments are very interesting and lead me to believe that the > "MK1" was a custom racer/cruiser version of the 1 tonner. I would guess > that not many of these were built. I also am starting to believe that we > all own the production version (MK2 if you want) of the 38. I don't think > C&C ever made any distinction of mk1 or mk2 on these boats. Rob's comment > about the beam measurement is a puzzler to me, all the literature lists the > beam as being 12', not 12.79' but it definitely is a wide boat. I also have > always been puzzled by the hull numbers, Rick's early 1976 is hull #47 and > my 1976 is #100; that's an unbelievable number of boats to be built in less > than a year. They didn't build that many 30's in a year! Rob also commented > that he didn't think they built a 100 of the production 38 (Mk2) and that > fits with the sailboatdata figure of 98 boats built. Looks to me like they > skipped a bunch of hull numbers (shortly after Rick's boat). I can't think > of a good reason to do that but it may explain why the whole mk1/mk2 thing > evolved. The more I think about this the more convinced I am becoming that > the Mk1 was a custom racer/cruiser version of the 1 tonner and starting in > 1975 C&C introduced the production 38 which what we all own. > James Taylor > S/V Delaney > 1976 C&C 38 (Mk?) > Oriental, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* David via CnC-List <[email protected]> > *To:* CNC CNC <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:07 AM > *Subject:* Stus-List FW: C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2m Response > > To Jim and all C & C 38 owners... > > See below from the "wise old C &C designer" > > > > David F. Risch > 1981 40-2 > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2 > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:24:58 -0400 > > I can’t figure out what 38 Mark 1 and Mark 2 are . . . . > > > > I’m getting old you know , . . . and I don’t have Jim’s e-mail address . > . . > > > > The comments he makes don’t fit my impression of the two 38’s that I’m > thinking of . . . > > > > To me the Mark one was an IOR One Ton hull made into a racer cruiser . . . > > > > The Mark Two was the first design I did entirely on the computer and it > is/was wildly different from the Mark One, and it is the widest boat (for > its’ size) that I ever did, so the comments don’t fit . . . > > > > The beam on Mark1 is 12.16 and the Mark 2 is 12.79 . . . > > > > So, there must be two versions of the original 38, that I’m forgetting, > and a change of rudder and ballast is a realistic possibility – but the > beam would be the same on both, and for sure the two keels cannot be that > different. I show the ballast as being 5980 lb. for the Mark 1 . . . > > > > So – I’d like more details . . . . I am quite sure we did not build even a > hundred of what I think of as the mark 2 . . . . > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > *Rob Ball* > Chief Design Engineer > > [image: Description: http://www.edsonintl.com/signature/image001.gif] > > Edson International > Tel 508-995-9711 > Fax 508-995-5021 > Email: [email protected] > > [image: Description: Edson - Home] <http://www.edsonmarine.com/> > > www.edsonintl.com > > > > > > *From:* David [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:32 PM > *To:* Rob Ball > *Subject:* FW: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2 > > > > Rob, > > Forgive the last sentence but could you shed some light on the topic > below. > > Thanks in advance. > > David F. Risch > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:23:57 -0700 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2 > > From: [email protected] > > > > When I was buying my 38 Mk 2 (hull #132) recently, the prior owner told > > me the difference between the mk1 and mk2 was a deeper rudder and more > > keel ballast on the mk2. > > He said those adjustments were made to try to provide better downwind > > control in broachable conditions. > > > > Sailboatdata.com seems to at least partially back him up though their > > numbers are confusing. They have the mk2 with 6800 lbs of ballast > > compared to the mk1 with 4400. Yet they both are listed with > > displacements of 14,700. The other difference they show is a slightly > > beamier mk1. > > > > I agree that if the designs were even mildly different, the PHRFs would > > likely reflect that and don't. So I probably just complicated this > > search for Hoffa's remains but the subject has puzzled me as well, so > > thought I'd throw in what I'd heard. > > > > I wish there was a wise old C&C designer on this list to resolve such > > mysteries. > > > > Jim Lynch > > > > Alcyone > > 1977 38-2 > > Olympia, Wa > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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