On the 121, etc - The fiberglass build quality, sans some initial problems on 
the epoxy hulls, is first rate.  Hardware is first rate.  Design is excellent.  
Woodwork does not compare to the original C&C.  They sail like a bat out of 
hell.  Not sure where the comment about 15 knots and above comes from.  My 121 
loves light air.

John


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> On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> yea, this is exactly what I am up against.  we sold Lolita and the admiral 
> would like a jeanneau.  I can't bring myself to accommodate her.  The more I 
> learned about the Jeanneau the more I realized I don't think I would not be 
> happy with the construction/build quality.  We looked at a privately owed 
> trade in.  A 2006 Jeanneau 40 and many cabinet knobs were missing, some hatch 
> shades were pulled right out of the headliner where they were wood screwed 
> in.  There was a locker in between 2 port side seats down below where the 
> hing was ripped right out.  Most of the joinery was just screwed together 
> with wood screws.  It appeared like it was done more by a homeowner as a 
> weekend project than by a highly skilled craftsman...
> 
> I just couldn't imagine that type of failure, so obvious, on a privately 
> owned, 8 year old boat and feel comfortable with the rest of the 
> construction.  I do think older jeanneaus were better built before Bene got 
> hold of them. (bene was better built vessel years ago as well)  Then you look 
> at the hardware, I had more substantial winches on our 33 Viking.
> 
> My wife absolutely LOVES the layout of these things.  They are voluminous, 
> bright, they sit very high and have lots of port lights.  These are all very 
> nice for hanging at the dock but I I can't help but think how these 
> attributes would effect safety and comfort if we got caught in a blow with 
> some decent sized waves.  How do you brace yourself?  I can just imagine the 
> shuttering all those face screwed panels would do pounding into a good sea.  
> 
> All this is based on gut reaction to what I have seen.  which is really just 
> boat show boarding and a couple of showings as well as some reading up on 
> construction techniques.
> 
> So we end up in a dilemma,  Make the admiral happy and me uncomfortable about 
> the boat or, make me happy and the admirals feels she is in a tight, dark 
> wooden box.  There really does not seem to be any middle ground in our price 
> range...  
> 
> How do you guys feel about the tartan built C&C 121 or 115.  I've read they 
> really like 15knot winds and above.  I do think this is the one exception if 
> the C&C quality is there.  They do have a nice bright interior and I think 
> that would make the admiral happy.  I really don't have a great deal of 
> knowledge of them.  They never really showed up at boat shows and there 
> aren't too many available on the market.  They may also be a bit out of our 
> price range.
> 
> Danny
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Quality Construction
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:10:46 -0400
> 
> At the club last week and noticed a fellow member tolling away on the 
> work bench behind our spar shed.......there is a big vice on it that 
> makes it convenient to do some jobs.
> 
> I walked over to say hello and discovered he was cutting out 'backing 
> plates'.....asked him where he was installing them.
> 
> He said his deck cleats on the bow of his recently purchased Beneteau 49 
> (30,000 lbs.) did not have backing plates....and he keeps his boat on a 
> mooring.
> 
> And he sold a C&C 41 for a Bene 49.....he said he is beginning to 
> discover the difference in the overall quality of construction between 
> the two boats.
> 
> Thought I would pass that little piece of information along to anyone 
> thinking of buying a quality built Bene!
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
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