David, I agree, but the lows are low and the highs are not that high. At least on the First series boats the hardware is beefed up over the comparably sized cruisers. Of course, they are still in business while Sabre is now a powerboat company. Price matters!
There is an active thread on Sailnet about a guy buying a new Bene 38. He is not happy! Joel On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:09 PM, davidrisch75 via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Friends boats; > > 1) BendyToe 423...multiple successful trips to Bermuda. > > 2) Bendy Toe 373. Broke a boom going round the bouys. > > I think construction quality is model dependent > > > > > David F. Risch. > > Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: John Pennie via CnC-List > Date:12/10/2014 12:37 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Danny Haughey , cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Quality Construction > > On the 121, etc - The fiberglass build quality, sans some initial > problems on the epoxy hulls, is first rate. Hardware is first rate. > Design is excellent. Woodwork does not compare to the original C&C. They > sail like a bat out of hell. Not sure where the comment about 15 knots and > above comes from. My 121 loves light air. > > John > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > yea, this is exactly what I am up against. we sold Lolita and the > admiral would like a jeanneau. I can't bring myself to accommodate her. > The more I learned about the Jeanneau the more I realized I don't think I > would not be happy with the construction/build quality. We looked at a > privately owed trade in. A 2006 Jeanneau 40 and many cabinet knobs were > missing, some hatch shades were pulled right out of the headliner where > they were wood screwed in. There was a locker in between 2 port side seats > down below where the hing was ripped right out. Most of the joinery was > just screwed together with wood screws. It appeared like it was done more > by a homeowner as a weekend project than by a highly skilled craftsman... > > > > I just couldn't imagine that type of failure, so obvious, on a privately > owned, 8 year old boat and feel comfortable with the rest of the > construction. I do think older jeanneaus were better built before Bene got > hold of them. (bene was better built vessel years ago as well) Then you > look at the hardware, I had more substantial winches on our 33 Viking. > > > > My wife absolutely LOVES the layout of these things. They are > voluminous, bright, they sit very high and have lots of port lights. These > are all very nice for hanging at the dock but I I can't help but think how > these attributes would effect safety and comfort if we got caught in a blow > with some decent sized waves. How do you brace yourself? I can just > imagine the shuttering all those face screwed panels would do pounding into > a good sea. > > > > All this is based on gut reaction to what I have seen. which is really > just boat show boarding and a couple of showings as well as some reading up > on construction techniques. > > > > So we end up in a dilemma, Make the admiral happy and me uncomfortable > about the boat or, make me happy and the admirals feels she is in a tight, > dark wooden box. There really does not seem to be any middle ground in our > price range... > > > > How do you guys feel about the tartan built C&C 121 or 115. I've read > they really like 15knot winds and above. I do think this is the one > exception if the C&C quality is there. They do have a nice bright interior > and I think that would make the admiral happy. I really don't have a great > deal of knowledge of them. They never really showed up at boat shows and > there aren't too many available on the market. They may also be a bit out > of our price range. > > > > Danny > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Stus-List Quality Construction > > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:10:46 -0400 > > > > At the club last week and noticed a fellow member tolling away on the > > work bench behind our spar shed.......there is a big vice on it that > > makes it convenient to do some jobs. > > > > I walked over to say hello and discovered he was cutting out 'backing > > plates'.....asked him where he was installing them. > > > > He said his deck cleats on the bow of his recently purchased Beneteau 49 > > (30,000 lbs.) did not have backing plates....and he keeps his boat on a > > mooring. > > > > And he sold a C&C 41 for a Bene 49.....he said he is beginning to > > discover the difference in the overall quality of construction between > > the two boats. > > > > Thought I would pass that little piece of information along to anyone > > thinking of buying a quality built Bene! > > > > Rob Abbott > > AZURA > > C&C 32 - 84 > > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > > > Email address: > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > > > Email address: > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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