My 1984 C&C 32 has a very robust mast.....as was stated "more like an
aluminum telephone pole", nevertheless Rob Ball decided to outfit the
rig with a baby stay and for that reason, it stays on the boat. It is a
PITA when tacking but you get to know your boat and learn how to make
efficient tacks by back winding the genoa to avoid the sail catching on
the baby stay.
I am confident that the boat would perform fine without the baby stay on
most day sails but since it is there, it will be attached and
tensioned. Maybe on these rigs, the baby stay helps to induce 'rake' on
these otherwise 'aluminum telephone poles'.
There was another C&C 32 84 at our club whose owner took the baby stay
off completely and he didn't appear to have any issues with his rig.
If I had one of the C&C models with the bendy masts, 3 spreaders, etc. I
would definitely keep the baby stay tensioned. We raced a 34R for
several years and I can assure you that boat benefited from a tensioned
baby stay.
So for me, if the boat designer thought a baby stay was needed, then I
will use it.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2017-10-25 10:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List wrote:
I find the baby stay question an interesting one. We've got the
adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at
the beginning of the season and then at some random time during the
summer someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it
isn't tensioned.
Would it be worth a survey? I'm curious how many owners actually have
and actively use the baby stay.
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your
baby stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger question----is
it necessary on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have
not recently stayed in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is
'bendy' and absolutely requires it you might be able to
"...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if your spreaders are not swept
aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more like aluminum
telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay
notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively
bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO
plans to ever take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the
protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in
tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my sailmaker
recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back. Now
if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the
SOLE reason of preventing mast pumping fore and aft--that is one
gravity storm I prefer to miss!
Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use
mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to
stabilize mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing
for pleasure in protected waters and have never missed it (but the
attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on
board anyway!
FWIW
Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom
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On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is
then attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in
the v-berth area. I don't have a track on mine.
If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There
is a lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the
hole that's left if there really is a wood stringer in there. Im
not sure how much glass I would need to cut away to get to where any
bracket or plate may be.
I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud
welded together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while
it's in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough
whatever I do.
Thanks,
Kevin
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction
ring, and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you
could DIY it. Would serve same function just as well. Don't have
time to get into it, but look around at what is possible since
probably would be done this way today on a new boat. Cheaper,
easier, better imo.
(my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to
water line in v berth.
2 cents
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Chuck, et al,
I don’t know if it is the same on your model but be careful
about assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of
the baby-stay. At least that is my take-away from your
description of it being “far in front of the keel” means.
With the 37’, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there
is a plate that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod
rigging…) is attached to. The rod descends directly down
parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular to the
waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central
stringer. The load is not carried forward but rather resides
at the rear of the traveler track.
Years ago I delivered a 34’ from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston,
Jamaica. As I recall, it had the same setup that the 37’ does.
Also, I’ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull.
Repairs to this can be easily be made while the boat is in
the water.
Hope this helps.
Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Fred,
I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is
far in front of the keel. I suspect the bolt should be
attached to a stringer also.
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794
That's how it is on my 34R. On my boat they welded a
stainless stud to a stainless bracket that is thru bolted
to a stringer. A short piece of rod carries the load from
the track down to the hull stringer.
I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in
there?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, M
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