James:
If you’re looking for general feedback, I’ll add my two cents. The main
halyard on my 42 was wire-to-rope and was led internally through an exit box
near the base of the mast. In my case, a winch on the deck near the mast was
used for the main. A few years ago we were heading out for a race in about
20-25 knots of breeze, started to raise the main, and the exit box ripped out
of the mast. Something about that 90 degree angle results in a lot of force.
We made a semi-permanent repair that got us through the season. At the end of
the season, I decided to do several things: 1) instead of using the old
configuration, I eliminated the exit box and started using a mast-mounted winch
that was already on the mast but wasn’t being used for anything (which I found
curious); 2) a short distance above the winch, I installed a mast exit plate so
the halyard would stay internal; and 3) I replaced the wire-to-rope halyard
with a low-stretch New England rope. I forget the name, but it was more high
tech than Sta-Set. I like the new configuration, although someone needs to
raise the halyard at the mast (which is no different than it was before but may
be a drawback for shorthanded sailors). The only issue I have is that the
high-tech line is not as low-stretch as manufacturer claims, and I use the
Cunningham more than I care to as the wind picks up. That said, the run from
the winch to the top of the mast is over 50 feet, so some stretch is to be
expected. When the current halyard is retired, I will replace it with
something that is really low stretch, and may possibly go back to wire-to-rope.
MLW
From: Jim via CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards
Neil
If you have any pictures similar to what Dennis sent to show how your main
halyard exits the mast (assuming it runs up inside) that would be appreciated.
My main halyard is all wire, not rope / wire so might be different than what
you had. The jib and spinnaker halyards are rope / wire.
My 35-1 has the same grooves in the splash rail so intend run them from the
mast through a turning block back through the grooves into rope clutches as
there are already winches back there.
Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback. Much appreciated.
Cheers,
James
ps: next item on list once I get this sorted is a jib roller furler... looks
like I'm going with Profurl
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From: "Neil Gallagher via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Neil Gallagher" <njgallag...@optonline.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 2:59:43 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards
Jim,
I replaced the original wire/rope halyards a few years ago, using 3/8 Sta Set
for both main and jib. Didn't do anything regarding the masthead sheave, and
it's been ok. I cruise mostly, as for racing my sails are so blown out a
slight strecthing of halyard won't make much difference...
A PO had run the main and one jib halyard back to the cockpit; my 35-1 has a
grooves in the splash rail that's just forward of the hatch, they run P/S
through those grooves. He mounted a turning block on the deck in line with the
halyard exit on the mast and the groove, and put a kind of smaller winch on the
aft end of the deckhouse. It's worked fine so far, though the backing under
turning blocks wasn't done well, just screws and washers to the underside of
the liner. That's been on my list.
Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY
On 12/10/2017 2:52 PM, Jim via CnC-List wrote:
Dennis
Thanks for the info and pictures. Your set up looks like what I'm trying to
achieve.
When you say a small diameter high tech halyard should work, what diameter
where you thinking? I purchased 8mm VPC (but have not tried it).
I'm reluctant to go much smaller as it may be hard to hold / pull on.
Thanks again for the pictures, I am going to take a closer look at my end to
see what is possible.
Cheers, James
ps: my 35-1 is s/n 75 so very close to yours.
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Cc: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:27:40 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards
James,
I have looked at Touche's main halyard masthead sheave and box with an eye to
replace the existing wire/rope halyard with an all rope halyard. Touche's
sheave is a wire sheave not a wire/rope sheave. The sheave box is fairly
narrow. So far I've been reluctant to make the conversion. It would require a
couple hours work at the masthead to enlarge the opening and install a new box.
This would be complicated by the existing hole pattern.
My opinion, and that of some other listers is that a small diameter high tech
halyard would work in the existing sheave.
However, I have removed the wire winch and run the main halyard aft. I
removed the fixed halyard exit sheave at the mast base, covered the hole with a
metal plate and installed Garhauer swivel turning blocks for all the halyards,
topping lift, etc. The halyards run aft to Lewmar triple rope clutches.
As I recall, the wire winch sat on a teak base on the starboard side. I
simply plugged the holes with teak bungs.
You're welcome to look at pictures of Touche's deck organizers, mast base
turning blocks, etc. here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsNll4b3ZwM1B4a28
The holes for the fasteners for the deck organizers and rope clutches are
covered by nylon plugs. Here's a pic of the plugs covering the nuts for the
rope clutches.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ep3_LqsCzqnnNYUtU6OPFDGGeMoeA3jo
I upgraded the cabin top winches to Barient 22's. That required
strengthening the deck under the winches. I epoxied additional layers of
roving in the access.
You're welcome to contact me for any details.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA (Currently lying Pensacola, FL)
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Jim via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
I have a '71 C&C 35 Mk1 with the original 100% wire main halyard to wire
winch beside the mast.
In February I purchased 8mm (5/16") New England VPC to replace the wire
halyard but have not yet as I believe I need to replace the mast head sheave
(mast still up), remove winch, run line back to the cockpit, etc.
Has anyone made this conversion in the past that could provide advice on
the mast head sheave, removing old wire winch, routing of new rope halyard,
etc.?
Cheers,
James
Flamingo IV, C&C 35-1
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From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Edd Schillay" <e...@schillay.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:50:08 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List new haylards
Since everyone was expecting me to reply to this one anyway— I’m also very
happy with Warpspeed. :-)
If you are going to race your boat, you’re going to want the best
no-stretch stuff out there. If you’re a cruiser, you’re going to be happy with
much less expensive line like StaSet or StaSetX.
Best wishes for a joyous holiday season along with a happy and healthy (and
breezy) new year.
Edd
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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
www.StarshipSailing.com
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On Dec 10, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Consider the PS article in the link below. I've been very happy with Yale
Crystaline and Sampson Warpspeed.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ
Also consider the excerpt (source unknown) below:
I was taught (by an English race crew) that Mainsail controls are always
green, jib sails blue and spinnakers red. Halyards are solid colors and sheets,
outhauls etc. flecked or with tracers. (By following this convention, crews are
able to move from boat-to-boat without having to be re-educated.)
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Dec 10, 2017 6:08 AM, "T power via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm looking to replace my foresail and headsail halyard on my C&C 30 MKI,
my foresail is a combination of wire and rope. The boat is used by new sailor
for cruising.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Tom Power
Invictus
C&C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB
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