Andrew; I read that book a couple of years ago at the suggestion of someone on
this list..love it!
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255
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From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 15, 2022 9:18 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Canadian Luxury Tax
On side note. I grew up sailing on my dad’s C&C 27 in British Columbia. On one
cruise, I read a book by Canadian author Farley Mowat called The Boat Who
Wouldn’t Float, about a pair of fellows buying and converting a small fishing
schooner in Newfoundland. Mowat talks a lot about the area and I’ve wanted to
cruise there since. My club has a cruise in Nfld this summer but my wife thinks
we should attend our daughter’s wedding instead of joining them.I highly
recommend the book for any sailor with a sense of humour: “Black coffee made
with rum as a substitute for water is a drink of considerable authority.”
Andy
Andrew Burton26 Beacon HillNewport, RI USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260
On Jan 15, 2022, at 21:06, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
I don't think it is easy to stay in the US for more than 12 month either. But
you only have to leave and go to another country for 15 days, then you can
return and start the clock over again. I'm not sure what the similar rule is
for Canada.
Ken H.
On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 21:44, Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com> wrote:
Andy - you might need to make a short trip to st Pierre and Miquelon.
Eurozone VAT is similar I believe, non-paid boats need to leave briefly and
return to reset the clock (or pay) and paid boats can’t be gone too long or
they lose their paid status. I think I see a retirement gig in the med in my
future!
Dave
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On Jan 15, 2022, at 7:28 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
Ken,
Thank you all of this...everything one could want on the subject matter.
Robert Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.
On 2022-01-15 4:59 p.m., Ken Heaton wrote:
Further to this, it appears some of Henry's American clients had kept their
boats in Canada continuously for up to 18 years without ever actually
officially importing them, so never paid import duties:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/tariff-for-non-canadian-boat-owners-threatens-yard-1.1322571
In the long run, the rules were not changed, and this didn't seem to have any
lasting effect on Henry's business. The Cape Breton Boat Yard in Baddeck, Nova
Scotia is still in business.
Ken H..
On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 16:53, Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> wrote:
The "short amount of time" Andrew refers to is one full year (12 months). The
``newish" law Andrew referred to has been on the books for at least 20 years (
I think since the fall of 1998) but has been spottily enforced. In theory, US
boats are not supposed to overwinter (stay longer than 12 months) in Canada
without being legally imported and paying duty. But there’s an exception. If a
boat needs repairs, it may stay—and the repairs, maintenance and storage of
such yachts has been the core business of Henry Fuller of the Cape Breton Boat
Yard in Baddeck, Nova Scotia. And though the necessary “repairs” may not have
been very extensive, customs officers have never been very exacting about the
matter.
For many years quite a number of American boats spent years on end in Canada
without being officially imported, using this loophole that allowed the boats
to remain here if "major overhaul" and other large shipyard related jobs were
being done to them. The intention of this rule was to allow shipyards to bid
on large projects without having to worry about import duties if the job
stretched out beyond 12 months. Legitimate large repairs can be extended beyond
12 months, up to as long as four years (48 months) if required, and permission
for the extension(s) is granted.
This loophole was being abused as many of these boats were really just having
light seasonal maintenance done. Henry Fuller made a public issue of it back
in the fall of 2013 and so drew the attention of the government agency tasked
with enforcing the law, forcing their hand so enforcement increased as a
result.
Some coverage of Henry's complaints are here:
https://www.oceannavigator.com/bad-news-from-baddeck/
Here is another view:
https://contrarian.ca/2013/09/06/how-the-feds-are-killing-a-77-year-old-cape-breton-business/
Here is a link to the actual rules and information for travellers (note the
wording on that page has not needed to been changed since 2014):
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/fv-be/menu-eng.html
Information about the length of time permitted for repairs are here:
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/fv-be/importation-eng.html
The actual letter of the law here:
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-1-1-eng.html
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d2/d2-2-3-eng.html
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d8/d8-1-1-eng.html
Ken H.
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