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> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 21:55
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
> 
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> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >
> > Clearly you are not prepared to face up to the fact that the there
is a
> > disconnect within the ASF policies and procedures and the
functioning of
> > an open community.  Clearly you are not prepared, willing or able to
> > address this.  You decision to abstain from further discussion
within
> > this context is an appropriate move and I commend and applaud this
> > decision.
> 
> Last message on this: None of the above is clear.  You are guilty out
> of your own mouth/keyboard of ascribing to others -- in this case me
--
> the motivations you want to believe they have.  Your paragraph above
> demonstrates yet again that you will twist anything you can to support
> your position.
> 
> By refraining from trying to deal with you further I am in no way
> suggesting that I believe you to be correct.  Disengaging from a
debate
> does not equate to giving up and accepting the other side's argument.
> 
> And to specifically and explicitly give the lie to your assertions
above,
> Stephen, I will gladly discuss any of the named issues with anyone
capable
> of doing so reasonably.  I just no longer consider that to include
you.  I
> am not 'abstaining from further discussion' on them -- I am abstaining
> from
> attempting to discuss them with *you*.  So go ahead and find someone
else
> who supports your position, and can participate in reasonable
discussion,
> and get that person to engage me on those topics right here on this
list.
> Go ahead and feed that person lines behind the scenes if you like, to
make
> sure that you feel you're being represented.  But don't bother trying
to
> represent yourself any more, at least not to me -- you have reduced
your
> own credibility to less than zero in my opinion through your choice of
> tactics.

Sooner of later you have to make a choice.  Are you a part of the pile
or are your going to do something about the pile.  It appears that you
have made that decision.

Stephen.



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