Let me rephrase a bit: USCF master level is about 3% away from the human top, but 7-8 handicap stones (an estimate of mogo's distance from the top) is about 13% away from the human top. A program would have to win about 50% of its games with a 5 stone handicap against a strong pro before claims can be made that computer-go is withing 3% from the human top. Dave
________________________________ Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: wo 19-11-2008 20:19 Aan: computer-go Onderwerp: RE: [computer-go] Re: Opportunity to promote ... That is wonderful! When I look at this table it seems to support my claim that USCF master (2200 USCF Elo) compares to about 4d (2400 EGF) and that 2d compares to a strong USCF class A player. So this table too, suggests that computer-go has not yet been reached "amateur master level" in the USCF sense of the term. Dave P.S.: A minor issue, not relevant for the question of "amateur master level": the sparsity of data at the top of the EGF (no 9p players play in european tournaments) seems to have a negative effect on accuracy in that range. I don't think 9p equals 2800 EGF. There are two or three EGF players with ratings of 2800, but they are actually about 2p - 5p, not 9p. Also, if you look at the lower end of the EGF range on the graph on that page, you can clearly see the distorting effect of the EGF policy of clamping the lowest ratings at 100 EGF. All in all, my feeling is that this page confims my speculations. ________________________________ Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Andy Verzonden: wo 19-11-2008 19:26 Aan: computer-go Onderwerp: Re: [computer-go] Re: Opportunity to promote ... Here you go! http://senseis.xmp.net/?RatingHistogramComparisons % AGA KGS USCF EGF --- | ------ | ------ | ----- | ----- | 1% | -34.61 | -24.26 | 444 | 100 | 2% | -32.58 | -22.30 | 531 | 100 | 5% | -27.69 | -19.20 | 663 | 153 | 10% | -23.47 | -15.36 | 793 | 456 | 20% | -18.54 | -11.26 | 964 | 953 | 30% | -13.91 | -8.94 | 1122 | 1200 | 40% | -9.90 | -7.18 | 1269 | 1387 | 50% | -7.10 | -5.65 | 1411 | 1557 | 60% | -4.59 | -4.19 | 1538 | 1709 | 70% | -1.85 | -2.73 | 1667 | 1884 | 80% | 2.10 | -1.28 | 1807 | 2039 | 90% | 4.71 | 2.52 | 1990 | 2217 | 95% | 6.12 | 3.88 | 2124 | 2339 | 98% | 7.41 | 5.29 | 2265 | 2460 | 99% | 8.15 | 6.09 | 2357 | 2536 | 99.5% | 8.70 | 7.20 | 2470 | 2604 | 99.9% | 9.64 | pro | 2643 | 2747 | top | 10.12 | 9p | 2789 | 2809 |
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