On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:

Until very recently in our history few Americans would assume that if they
failed at something government would back them up.

This is plainly false. Going back 1000s of years history shows us people "working together in an organized if imperfect fashion" to solve common
problems.

Given that American history is fairly recent, what value is there in going back 1000's of years to demonstrate that government has existed? Read some colonial and expansion period American history, both political and cultural. You won't find many examples of people seeking government bail outs. Yes, government and the general citizenry collaborated on really big infrastructure (canals, railroads and such). Not so many government "jobs" programs.

What you do see its lots of people working together in an organized if imperfect fashion - through their churches, abolitionist societies, service clubs, grange associations, and others. Why do you appear to assume that only government can serve as an organizing force?


You are arguing for a brutal and savage world. Is that wise?

No, I am not. The world is brutal, and parts of it quite savage. Free people can choose to be other than brutal and savage through voluntary cooperation of communities of interest outside of government's coercive powers.




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