Jeff, impressively bad, well done!

My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move with a CCW
courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very of-the-moment style
preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances have this combo.
(Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while the 2s stand
around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.)

Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in part
because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy turn figure)
followed by long lines drives me up a wall.

I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest of the
dance is really exceptional, ehhhh.

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Maia McCormick (she/her)
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12)
>
> Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8).
>
> Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4).
>
> Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2)
>
> Jeff
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>    - A right chain INTO a swing
>>    - A swing into a circle right
>>    - Standard right shoulder hey into a swing
>>
>>
>> Plenty other bad flow examples
>>
>>
>> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his)
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>> *From:* Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers <
>> [email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM
>> *To:* New Contra Callers List <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos
>>
>> I don't agree with your list.  Yes, swings on the first half of a phrase
>> are challenging and I might try to avoid them.  There are dances with this
>> that generally work fine, especially if the caller is aware of the
>> potential issue and teaches and calls accordingly.  The do-si-do across can
>> be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is doing the
>> do-si-do.  If only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no problem.
>> Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not really a
>> choreographic issue.  I actually think that a right chain after a swing can
>> work very well.  If you end the swing with the pointy hands pointing across
>> then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right there ready to
>> pull by.  I suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but that can
>> be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling the same
>> way.  Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same direction
>> all the time.  I danced a dance with that set of figures just last Friday
>> and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work.
>>
>> So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem.  #4 is a
>> personal preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition between
>> figures.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote:
>> > I am accumulating a  list of figures, or figure sequence that
>> significant dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider
>> Choreographic No-Nos
>> > My list so far:
>> > 1. do-si-do across
>> > 2. right chain after a swing
>> > 3 short swings on an odd phrase
>> > 4. Shadow swings
>> > Does anyone have further suggestions?
>>
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