My biggest nono is "too much clockwise". If moves are awkward or with meh flow, that's not a health or safety thing. Whereas getting dizzy is.
In dance, Julian Blechner He/him Western Mass On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 8:40 AM Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > Surprised no one's mentioned interlocking long wavy lines, yet — I think > it's relatively well-known that Lisa Greenleaf hates this move! Can't say > I'm a huge fan, either, but it has its moments. > > For my two-cents, butterfly whirls are on thin ice! I'll program dances > that include this figure with a partner on rare occasion, and symmetrical > dances with both a partner and neighbor whirl could be novel enough to be > okay (???) on a cold day, but I think I would essentially never call a > dance with only a neighbor butterfly whirl. > > There are too many excellent dances to ever bother with the mediocre ones, > honestly. > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 3:14 AM Neal Schlein via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with Jonathan about your existing list, and think that almost any >> sequence CAN be used if done with knowledgeable intent. >> >> However, for the general list of things to avoid I would nominate what I >> like to call “fudge down the line,” which is any adjustment that a) happens >> solely because the sequence doesn’t fully progress the couples and b) does >> not flow naturally from the existing movement. (This most often happens in >> Beckett dances or those substantially in Beckett formation; examples >> include a 2 count sideways slide along the line or a slightly angled right >> and left thru.) >> >> Notably, the 4 beat slide in “With Thanks to the Dean” and similar dances >> would not count because they are full and discrete actions that are >> specifically >> accounted for in the flow and timing. >> >> Neal Schlein >> Librarian, MSLIS >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:28 PM Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Depending on the flow of the dance, balance and box the gnat can often >>> replace dsd and shoulder rounds 1 1/2 >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:17 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't have Bob's list handy, but I cribbed heavily from it to make this >>>> (much less extensive) list of figures + timings >>>> <https://contra.maiamccormick.com/assets/pdfs/esc-choreo-figures.pdf>, >>>> in case it's useful to anyone! >>>> >>>> (This reminds me of some more things I don't like, ha. Circle L and >>>> pass through to swing -- IME the swing always gets truncated. Dosido 1.5x >>>> and right shoulder round 1.5x don't quiiite fit in 8 counts of music and >>>> are often frustrating. And I don't call couples' dosidos anymore, they're a >>>> pain to execute correctly unless everyone in the hall is EXTREMELY on top >>>> of it.) >>>> -- >>>> Maia McCormick (she/her) >>>> 917.279.8194 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:02 AM Joe Harrington < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every >>>>> possible move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs in a >>>>> set of dances that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. It’s >>>>> interesting which unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. I >>>>> hope this someday sees the light of day. >>>>> >>>>> —jh— >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jeff, impressively bad, well done! >>>>>> >>>>>> My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move with >>>>>> a CCW courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very of-the-moment >>>>>> style preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances have this combo. >>>>>> (Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while the 2s stand >>>>>> around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in >>>>>> part because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy turn >>>>>> figure) followed by long lines drives me up a wall. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest of >>>>>> the dance is really exceptional, ehhhh. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Maia McCormick (she/her) >>>>>> 917.279.8194 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - A right chain INTO a swing >>>>>>>> - A swing into a circle right >>>>>>>> - Standard right shoulder hey into a swing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Plenty other bad flow examples >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) >>>>>>>> Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/[email protected]?anonymous&ep=signature> >>>>>>>> Book >>>>>>>> time to meet with me >>>>>>>> <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/[email protected]/bookings/> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *From:* Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* New Contra Callers List <[email protected] >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't agree with your list. Yes, swings on the first half of a >>>>>>>> phrase are challenging and I might try to avoid them. There are dances >>>>>>>> with this that generally work fine, especially if the caller is aware >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the potential issue and teaches and calls accordingly. The do-si-do >>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>> can be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is doing >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> do-si-do. If only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no >>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>> Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not >>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>> choreographic issue. I actually think that a right chain after a >>>>>>>> swing can >>>>>>>> work very well. If you end the swing with the pointy hands pointing >>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>> then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right there ready to >>>>>>>> pull by. I suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but that >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> way. Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same >>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>> all the time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last >>>>>>>> Friday >>>>>>>> and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is a >>>>>>>> personal preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> figures. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote: >>>>>>>> > I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that >>>>>>>> significant dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider >>>>>>>> Choreographic No-Nos >>>>>>>> > My list so far: >>>>>>>> > 1. do-si-do across >>>>>>>> > 2. right chain after a swing >>>>>>>> > 3 short swings on an odd phrase >>>>>>>> > 4. 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