well, that's some thinking-outside-the-box stuff, right there! thank you Alex!
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:35 PM Alexandra Deis-Lauby < [email protected]> wrote: > The last time I danced one of these, I learned that if you promenade with > the Robins passing right shoulder, this flows very well. So if one MUST > call it, you might change the promenade direction. > > Alex > > > On Aug 6, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Elizabeth Bloom Albert via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Please, pretty please, with sugar on top! > Please don’t call (or write) any more dances where a Half-Promenade > (across the set) is followed by a Circle to the Left! With the possible > exception of interlocking long wavy lines-- another big ugh! in my book, > there is nothing more jarring than the 1/2 Prom to a Circle Left combo > I once attended an (out-of-town) dance where three dances were called that > had that combo (three!) and in spite of all the (other) pretty good dances > and excellent dance partners, this is what I remember about that experience > to this day! > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:29 AM Julian Blechner via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> My biggest nono is "too much clockwise". If moves are awkward or with meh >> flow, that's not a health or safety thing. Whereas getting dizzy is. >> >> In dance, >> Julian Blechner >> He/him >> Western Mass >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 8:40 AM Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Surprised no one's mentioned interlocking long wavy lines, yet — I think >>> it's relatively well-known that Lisa Greenleaf hates this move! Can't say >>> I'm a huge fan, either, but it has its moments. >>> >>> For my two-cents, butterfly whirls are on thin ice! I'll program dances >>> that include this figure with a partner on rare occasion, and symmetrical >>> dances with both a partner and neighbor whirl could be novel enough to be >>> okay (???) on a cold day, but I think I would essentially never call a >>> dance with only a neighbor butterfly whirl. >>> >>> There are too many excellent dances to ever bother with the mediocre >>> ones, honestly. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 3:14 AM Neal Schlein via Contra Callers < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with Jonathan about your existing list, and think that almost >>>> any sequence CAN be used if done with knowledgeable intent. >>>> >>>> However, for the general list of things to avoid I would nominate what >>>> I like to call “fudge down the line,” which is any adjustment that a) >>>> happens solely because the sequence doesn’t fully progress the couples and >>>> b) does not flow naturally from the existing movement. (This most often >>>> happens in Beckett dances or those substantially in Beckett formation; >>>> examples include a 2 count sideways slide along the line or a slightly >>>> angled right and left thru.) >>>> >>>> Notably, the 4 beat slide in “With Thanks to the Dean” and similar >>>> dances would not count because they are full and discrete actions that >>>> are specifically accounted for in the flow and timing. >>>> >>>> Neal Schlein >>>> Librarian, MSLIS >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:28 PM Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Depending on the flow of the dance, balance and box the gnat can >>>>> often replace dsd and shoulder rounds 1 1/2 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:17 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't have Bob's list handy, but I cribbed heavily from it to make this >>>>>> (much less extensive) list of figures + timings >>>>>> <https://contra.maiamccormick.com/assets/pdfs/esc-choreo-figures.pdf>, >>>>>> in case it's useful to anyone! >>>>>> >>>>>> (This reminds me of some more things I don't like, ha. Circle L and >>>>>> pass through to swing -- IME the swing always gets truncated. Dosido 1.5x >>>>>> and right shoulder round 1.5x don't quiiite fit in 8 counts of music and >>>>>> are often frustrating. And I don't call couples' dosidos anymore, >>>>>> they're a >>>>>> pain to execute correctly unless everyone in the hall is EXTREMELY on top >>>>>> of it.) >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Maia McCormick (she/her) >>>>>> 917.279.8194 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:02 AM Joe Harrington < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every >>>>>>> possible move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> set of dances that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. >>>>>>> It’s >>>>>>> interesting which unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. I >>>>>>> hope this someday sees the light of day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> —jh— >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeff, impressively bad, well done! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move >>>>>>>> with a CCW courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very >>>>>>>> of-the-moment style preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> this combo. (Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while >>>>>>>> the 2s >>>>>>>> stand around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in >>>>>>>> part because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy >>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>> figure) followed by long lines drives me up a wall. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest >>>>>>>> of the dance is really exceptional, ehhhh. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Maia McCormick (she/her) >>>>>>>> 917.279.8194 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - A right chain INTO a swing >>>>>>>>>> - A swing into a circle right >>>>>>>>>> - Standard right shoulder hey into a swing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Plenty other bad flow examples >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) >>>>>>>>>> Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center >>>>>>>>>> <Outlook-b31euhoh.png> >>>>>>>>>> <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/[email protected]?anonymous&ep=signature> >>>>>>>>>> Book >>>>>>>>>> time to meet with me >>>>>>>>>> <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/[email protected]/bookings/> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* New Contra Callers List < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't agree with your list. Yes, swings on the first half of a >>>>>>>>>> phrase are challenging and I might try to avoid them. There are >>>>>>>>>> dances >>>>>>>>>> with this that generally work fine, especially if the caller is >>>>>>>>>> aware of >>>>>>>>>> the potential issue and teaches and calls accordingly. The do-si-do >>>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>>> can be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is >>>>>>>>>> doing the >>>>>>>>>> do-si-do. If only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no >>>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>>> Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not >>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>> choreographic issue. I actually think that a right chain after a >>>>>>>>>> swing can >>>>>>>>>> work very well. If you end the swing with the pointy hands pointing >>>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>>> then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right there ready >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> pull by. I suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but >>>>>>>>>> that can >>>>>>>>>> be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling >>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>> way. Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same >>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>> all the time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last >>>>>>>>>> Friday >>>>>>>>>> and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is >>>>>>>>>> a personal preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> figures. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that >>>>>>>>>> significant dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider >>>>>>>>>> Choreographic No-Nos >>>>>>>>>> > My list so far: >>>>>>>>>> > 1. do-si-do across >>>>>>>>>> > 2. right chain after a swing >>>>>>>>>> > 3 short swings on an odd phrase >>>>>>>>>> > 4. 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