Depending on the flow of the dance, balance and box the gnat can often replace dsd and shoulder rounds 1 1/2
On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:17 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > I don't have Bob's list handy, but I cribbed heavily from it to make this > (much less extensive) list of figures + timings > <https://contra.maiamccormick.com/assets/pdfs/esc-choreo-figures.pdf>, in > case it's useful to anyone! > > (This reminds me of some more things I don't like, ha. Circle L and pass > through to swing -- IME the swing always gets truncated. Dosido 1.5x and > right shoulder round 1.5x don't quiiite fit in 8 counts of music and are > often frustrating. And I don't call couples' dosidos anymore, they're a > pain to execute correctly unless everyone in the hall is EXTREMELY on top > of it.) > -- > Maia McCormick (she/her) > 917.279.8194 > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:02 AM Joe Harrington <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every >> possible move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs in a >> set of dances that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. It’s >> interesting which unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. I >> hope this someday sees the light of day. >> >> —jh— >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Jeff, impressively bad, well done! >>> >>> My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move with a >>> CCW courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very of-the-moment >>> style preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances have this combo. >>> (Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while the 2s stand >>> around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.) >>> >>> Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in part >>> because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy turn figure) >>> followed by long lines drives me up a wall. >>> >>> I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest of >>> the dance is really exceptional, ehhhh. >>> >>> -- >>> Maia McCormick (she/her) >>> 917.279.8194 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12) >>>> >>>> Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8). >>>> >>>> Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4). >>>> >>>> Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2) >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> - A right chain INTO a swing >>>>> - A swing into a circle right >>>>> - Standard right shoulder hey into a swing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Plenty other bad flow examples >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) >>>>> Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center >>>>> >>>>> <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/[email protected]?anonymous&ep=signature> >>>>> Book >>>>> time to meet with me >>>>> <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/[email protected]/bookings/> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM >>>>> *To:* New Contra Callers List <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos >>>>> >>>>> I don't agree with your list. Yes, swings on the first half of a >>>>> phrase are challenging and I might try to avoid them. There are dances >>>>> with this that generally work fine, especially if the caller is aware of >>>>> the potential issue and teaches and calls accordingly. The do-si-do >>>>> across >>>>> can be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is doing the >>>>> do-si-do. If only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no problem. >>>>> Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not really a >>>>> choreographic issue. I actually think that a right chain after a swing >>>>> can >>>>> work very well. If you end the swing with the pointy hands pointing >>>>> across >>>>> then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right there ready to >>>>> pull by. I suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but that can >>>>> be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling the same >>>>> way. Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same direction >>>>> all the time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last Friday >>>>> and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work. >>>>> >>>>> So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is a >>>>> personal preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition between >>>>> figures. >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> >>>>> On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote: >>>>> > I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that >>>>> significant dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider >>>>> Choreographic No-Nos >>>>> > My list so far: >>>>> > 1. do-si-do across >>>>> > 2. right chain after a swing >>>>> > 3 short swings on an odd phrase >>>>> > 4. Shadow swings >>>>> > Does anyone have further suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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