sounds like someone's gonna be writing some new dances Seth ;^) On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:42 PM Tepfer, Seth <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fascinating! > That also implies if you do a promenade larks passing left, it flows > nicely into a circle RIGHT > > > > Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) > Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center > > <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/[email protected]?anonymous&ep=signature> > Book > time to meet with me > <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/[email protected]/bookings/> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Elizabeth Bloom Albert via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2024 3:37 PM > *To:* Alexandra Deis-Lauby <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Julian Blechner <[email protected]>; > [email protected] <[email protected]>; Contra Callers < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [Callers] Re: [External] Re: Choreographic No-Nos > > well, that's some thinking-outside-the-box stuff, right there! > thank you Alex! > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:35 PM Alexandra Deis-Lauby < > [email protected]> wrote: > > The last time I danced one of these, I learned that if you promenade with > the Robins passing right shoulder, this flows very well. So if one MUST > call it, you might change the promenade direction. > > Alex > > > On Aug 6, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Elizabeth Bloom Albert via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Please, pretty please, with sugar on top! > Please don’t call (or write) any more dances where a Half-Promenade > (across the set) is followed by a Circle to the Left! With the possible > exception of interlocking long wavy lines-- another big ugh! in my book, > there is nothing more jarring than the 1/2 Prom to a Circle Left combo > I once attended an (out-of-town) dance where three dances were called that > had that combo (three!) and in spite of all the (other) pretty good dances > and excellent dance partners, this is what I remember about that experience > to this day! > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:29 AM Julian Blechner via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > My biggest nono is "too much clockwise". If moves are awkward or with meh > flow, that's not a health or safety thing. Whereas getting dizzy is. > > In dance, > Julian Blechner > He/him > Western Mass > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 8:40 AM Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Surprised no one's mentioned interlocking long wavy lines, yet — I think > it's relatively well-known that Lisa Greenleaf hates this move! Can't say > I'm a huge fan, either, but it has its moments. > > For my two-cents, butterfly whirls are on thin ice! I'll program dances > that include this figure with a partner on rare occasion, and symmetrical > dances with both a partner and neighbor whirl could be novel enough to be > okay (???) on a cold day, but I think I would essentially never call a > dance with only a neighbor butterfly whirl. > > There are too many excellent dances to ever bother with the mediocre ones, > honestly. > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 3:14 AM Neal Schlein via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I agree with Jonathan about your existing list, and think that almost any > sequence CAN be used if done with knowledgeable intent. > > However, for the general list of things to avoid I would nominate what I > like to call “fudge down the line,” which is any adjustment that a) happens > solely because the sequence doesn’t fully progress the couples and b) does > not flow naturally from the existing movement. (This most often happens in > Beckett dances or those substantially in Beckett formation; examples > include a 2 count sideways slide along the line or a slightly angled right > and left thru.) > > Notably, the 4 beat slide in “With Thanks to the Dean” and similar dances > would not count because they are full and discrete actions that are > specifically > accounted for in the flow and timing. > > Neal Schlein > Librarian, MSLIS > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:28 PM Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Depending on the flow of the dance, balance and box the gnat can often > replace dsd and shoulder rounds 1 1/2 > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:17 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I don't have Bob's list handy, but I cribbed heavily from it to make this > (much less extensive) list of figures + timings > <https://contra.maiamccormick.com/assets/pdfs/esc-choreo-figures.pdf>, in > case it's useful to anyone! > > (This reminds me of some more things I don't like, ha. Circle L and pass > through to swing -- IME the swing always gets truncated. Dosido 1.5x and > right shoulder round 1.5x don't quiiite fit in 8 counts of music and are > often frustrating. And I don't call couples' dosidos anymore, they're a > pain to execute correctly unless everyone in the hall is EXTREMELY on top > of it.) > -- > Maia McCormick (she/her) > 917.279.8194 > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:02 AM Joe Harrington <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every > possible move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs in a > set of dances that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. It’s > interesting which unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. I > hope this someday sees the light of day. > > —jh— > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Jeff, impressively bad, well done! > > My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move with a CCW > courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very of-the-moment style > preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances have this combo. > (Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while the 2s stand > around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.) > > Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in part > because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy turn figure) > followed by long lines drives me up a wall. > > I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest of the > dance is really exceptional, ehhhh. > > -- > Maia McCormick (she/her) > 917.279.8194 > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12) > > Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8). > > Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4). > > Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2) > > Jeff > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > - A right chain INTO a swing > - A swing into a circle right > - Standard right shoulder hey into a swing > > > Plenty other bad flow examples > > > Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) > Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center > <Outlook-b31euhoh.png> > <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/[email protected]?anonymous&ep=signature> > Book > time to meet with me > <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/[email protected]/bookings/> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM > *To:* New Contra Callers List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos > > I don't agree with your list. Yes, swings on the first half of a phrase > are challenging and I might try to avoid them. There are dances with this > that generally work fine, especially if the caller is aware of the > potential issue and teaches and calls accordingly. The do-si-do across can > be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is doing the > do-si-do. If only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no problem. > Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not really a > choreographic issue. I actually think that a right chain after a swing can > work very well. If you end the swing with the pointy hands pointing across > then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right there ready to > pull by. I suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but that can > be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling the same > way. Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same direction > all the time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last Friday > and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work. > > So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is a > personal preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition between > figures. > > Jonathan > > On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote: > > I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that > significant dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider > Choreographic No-Nos > > My list so far: > > 1. do-si-do across > > 2. right chain after a swing > > 3 short swings on an odd phrase > > 4. Shadow swings > > Does anyone have further suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > > * Elizabeth Bloom Albert * > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > > -- > > * Elizabeth Bloom Albert * > -- * Elizabeth Bloom Albert *
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