Wow, nice to see somebody from Twente NL, from Debian stronghold ;-)

On Monday 17 November 2003 21:31, Simon Oosthoek wrote:

> CRM == Customer Relationship Management???
Yes.

> I don't know if that is such an important matter, compared to some other
> problems Mandrake has (not talking about the financial matters, even)

Part of CRM is to find out what drives customer loyalty and satisfaction and 
use the model to maintain and improve business.  This what Deno did even not 
being CRM specialist, simply because he could intuitively deeply feel such 
things. Unfortunately Deno is back in Vienna and not anymore with Mandrake. 
(Big mistake in my opinion...)  We all feel absence of Deno because there is 
no sufficient replacement in company (with all regards to people working 
there).  For example, in Deno times it probably would not be possible to have 
_all_ mirror definitions for urpmi on club www pages *broken* for such a long 
time as it is now. 

> For me I'd say these were the priorities I'd like to see:
> - work on almost any hardware or say it won't work during install. (I'm not
> talking about LG's faults)

I cannot worry about that with Mandrake. I think that hardware recognition and 
use is one of strong aspects of Mandrake Linux.  LG scandal is IMHO simply 
bad luck - "shit happens" as we all know. Nobody can test all combinations of 
hardware components.  After all LG has agreed it's their fault, and these 
dead drives are quite easily repairable. (I have one too :)  Otherwise I have 
sometimes wondered what strange "hardware zoo" combinations are nevertheless 
correctly recognized by Mandrake installation.  Well, I normally use 
PowerPack which has more drivers than download edition. 

> - Consistent configuration and hardware management tools

These things get really better from version to version, except some quick 
decisions like with kdm...

> - have one well tested desktop management system (KDE) that doesn't show
> any obvious flaws noticable by average users

Now this depends mostly from KDE people ;-)  I do not know who is to blame 
about disappearing KDE 3.1.3 menus in MDK 9.2, but this is *major* source of 
disappointment and certainly very annoying behavior.  At the moment my KDE 
has stopped to display active programs on tasklist, despite all checkmarks 
correct in KDE Control Center... <sigh>.

> - make sure basic applications are thoroughly tested for quality, stability
> and performance

Agree. That would be Good Thing. However good QC is expensive. Total QC is 
unreachable even for very big companies because of almost unpredictable human 
side of interaction with these applications.  (Somehow I often manage to get 
very strange crashes and errors on windows machines I sometimes have to use 
at work... ;-)

However, basic level of QC should involve at least confidence that all apps 
can be launched and start to work.  My 4-year old grandson discovered 
yesterday that TuxRacer doesn't work anymore (in 9.2 with all current 
updates) and was very, very sad about that. Thanks God that at least Frozen 
Bubble was still OK ;-) 

> - security updates and installation sources are stable

Agree. At least there _are_ security updates for Mandrake and they are mostly 
available. At least after some delay after e-mail announcing them...

> Everything else is of course very important too, but when the basics are
> more stable, the whole system is more tolerant for whatever else gets
> installed.

"Let it be, let it be..."  :-)  

Harijs


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