le lun 21-01-2002 � 07:10, Roger a �crit :
> On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 23:52, Jeremy Salch wrote:
> > On Sunday 20 January 2002 05:01 pm, you wrote:> On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 14:45,
> > Fabrice FACORAT wrote:
> > > > le dim 20-01-2002 � 23:17, Quel Qun a �crit :
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > While trying to get some people started with Mandrake on irc, it
> > > > > appears that one of the big obstacle is the difficulty to edit a very
> > > > > simple text config file.
> > > > >
> > > > > Very often, people are booting windows to come asking for help and it
> > > > > is quite hard to explain how they will have to use vi after rebooting.
> > > > > There is a need for a very simple editor installed by default that does
> > > > > not use Ctrl-K D to save a file, and that uses correctly the del and
> > > > > backspace key.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only one we found (thx Woody) coming close to this is pico, but it
> > > > > is embedded in the pine rpm, and i don't know if this package is
> > > > > intalled by default.
>
> uh? there's vi/vim for simplicity. just like using "edit.com/exe",
> one needs to use the alt+F1{function keys} to edit with edit.com.
>
> in vi, they simply need to "learn":
If I where you I will put coma for simply instead. The trick is that
they don't have to learn nothing or at least when they launch the text
editor they have a help screen and that keystroke are not complicated (
sometime they don't understand C-key, A-Key, �-key ( remove the o ) )
vi is not simple, for a newbie and direct write text editor w<ith simple
keystroke ( Fx or CRTOL with a good ) help is better.
> ESC + :i (to insert text)
> ESC (once more to exit edit text and move about freely in view only
> mode)
> a little more advanced and the user can then do:
> ESC + :d (to enter delete mode and once can then del whole lines of text
> at once).
>
> usually, the new user will want to get "lucky" and enter X on startup if
> they're not this computer literate. You make them sound that they don't
> even know howto use edit.com! lol. as such, they simply hope & pray when
> they click install/upgrade for windows.
>
> once in X, they can then use gvim and other simple text editors.
>
> Although, it has always been my personnal opinion of linux being a
> 'learners' o/s or 'developers' o/s....if the person isn't computer
> literate and not willing to learn, then they should have a sysadmin to
> install & maintain linux (the same thing goes for windows or else they
> become virus prone, etc
> ).
Not using vi doesn't means to be illiterate. Personnally I don't use vi
beacause I don't like it and to edit sys file I'd rather use joe. Why ?
because of the fact that I have to hit ESC in oder to be in the right
mode and that I expect to delete a letter when I hit del and the same
for backspace.
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