> Without samples and some tech info from the manufacturer, our chances of > making notebooks work out of the box aren't as good as they could be > otherwise,
What exactly do you mean ? How can I help ? After all, I have two offending laptops !! As I said in an ealier posting I've gone all the way back to Mandrake 6.0 and it still behaves the same. I dont' know when APIC came in ? Stopping APMD from starting at boot seems to move the Kernel NULL pointer to "swapper". Thanks, Owen On Monday 04 Feb 2002 8:54 pm, you wrote: > William Bouterse wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:53:26 +0000 > > > > OS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote these words: > >>Yes ! Me and now several others have started threads on more than one > >> mailing list stating that the old Linux power management was bad, but > >> the new systems (APIC and APMD beta 3) REALLY suck !!! > >> > >>What really intriques me is how Linux is being positioned as the OS for > >> all platforms, and yet locks completely solid on platforms that require > >> any kind of power management that doesn't involve "init 6" !!! > >> > >>I am wanting to deliver a Mandrake 8.2 Linux based laptop system to an > >>important client. This machine will show off Mandrake and Linux to people > >> who have probably not even heard of Linux, or at least certainly not > >> considered using it. I can't deliver it because it locks solid when ever > >> a power management feature is invoked !!! I am seriously faced with > >> having to put a Window$ on to it. This is a real shame, but it is a > >> reality. > >> > >>Owen > >> > >>On Friday 01 Feb 2002 3:05 am, you wrote: > >>>I installed 8.2 beta on a Dell Inspiron 8000. When the screen > >>>attempted to dim the machine powered down. > >>> > >>>With a fresh 8.2 install power management still doesn't work. > >>>apmd is running but any change in power status (unplug for instance) > >>>causes the machine to hand. > >>> > >>>This worked fine in 8.1 > >>> > >>>darrell > > > > What make and model is the notebook you plan to use ? > > Is it a Dell as well ? > > > > Have you attempted to install LM 8.1? > > If they have never seen/used linux anyway an older version > > which works might be an alternate approach !? > > > > Don't give up yet !!! > > > > William Bouterse > > Talkeetna, Ak > > Well, the issue of APIC is complex. > > Dell at least fixed the BIOS bug that was providing "bad bridge mapping" > errors in the inspiron 4000 above 192M RAM. They still have issues with > ACPI and APIC both. It takes special dodges with the hardware to make > all that stuff fit in a tiny box, so standard drivers often need > modification to work in notebooks. > > Since the notebook makers install windows in their notebooks, they make > their own drivers to compensate for the non-standard solutions they come > up with to make the notebooks work in the first place. If they were a > little more forthcoming about their dodges, linux drivers might work as > well. > > But this is a situation where we have a conflict. > > Without a UP install kernel with APIC, many multipe-processor installs > won't work. There are also rigs with multiple IDE controllers that need > APIC even with the UP platform. And there is a small, intensely working > group of engineers trying to keep up with all the kernel changes and > make them workable who cannot make unnecessary forks in the kernel. > > So a simple report about APIC is quite sufficient. Now the problem of > still behaving the same way when "linux noapic" is the kernel message is > significant and may suggest other issues as well for the platform. > There are other notebooks which do not work correctly with any of our > stock kernels at all. Some need "linux noauto nousb noapic" for > example. Some yield to nothing we have tried for 8.0, 8.1 and 8.2beta. > > Without samples and some tech info from the manufacturer, our chances of > making notebooks work out of the box aren't as good as they could be > otherwise, > > Civileme
