On Sun, 26 May 2002 01:18:04 +0200 Tibor Pittich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 25. m�j 2002 o 15:08, Ben Reser wrote:
>
> >
> > If you remove the Razor Requires for spamassassin then spamassassin
> > continues to function. spamassassin works just fine without Razor.
>
> is this anywhere strictly defined as it is interpreting by you?
> i read mdk-rpm howto and maximum-rpm doc, but there is no allusion that
> this field is dedicated to telling which package is _mandatory_.
Any other interpretation makes a mockery of the use of the word
"Requires"
>
> > Your assertion that it doesn't work right is baloney.
>
> <b>i don't wrote</b> that spamassassin won't work without razor-agent.
> i wrote only that spamassassin works much _better_. i know, my english
> is very bad, but i believe that this my idea was comprehended clearly.
That's not consistent with the meaning of the word "Requires"
>
> > This isn't about disk space usage. It's about dependcies being right.
> > By including the depency you're forcing everyone who wants to use the
> > rpm of spamassassin to use Razor.
>
> it is configurable.. or you can use --nodeps. look at my example about
> krb5-libs. it is not configurable and i MUST have kerberos libs.
Using --nodeps to remove a non-required package is BAD. The use of --nodeps should be
reserved for extraordinary situations, not commmonplace.
>
> > There can be good reasons not to use Razor. For instance using Razor
> > will cause certain emails to automatically be submitted to the Razor
> > database by default. In some jurisdictions dislosure of customer emails
> > to 3rd parties could be considered illegal.
>
> but this is not problem in razor agent ;) this problem related to
> default config file. imho, better is disable this functionality by
> default. on this point you have right.
>
> > Again there is no technical reason as there is with telnet and krb5-libs
> > to have the Requires so it shouldn't be there.
>
> fundamentally question is: where is authoritative description about
> "Requires" and what tells about it. if it exists and you have right in
> your interpretation, and my lobbing about "Requires" for spamassassin and
> razor-agent , please sorry for my mail and don't throb my head :) i was
> thinking, that this forum is right place for discusion about this.
I think this is the right forum - as to clarification of "Requires" - it should be
patently obvious.
The word has a specific meaning. If you use it consistent with that meaning, Ben Reser
is obviously correct.
If you don't mean to use the word according to its commonly accepted definition,
what's the point of using it at all?
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Murray J. Root
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