I was doing some digging and found it not so easy to contact the editors of the AP Style Guide directly without a content subscription, but I did find this: https://twitter.com/apstylebook
Does anyone want to join on a tweet campaign to get their attention #NoHyphenInCoworking anyone? Also, found this: https://twitter.com/dhminthorn Jacob, he seems to be a Washington state native, maybe you can reach out and invite him to Office Nomads to check out coworking? On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:15:25 PM UTC-5, Alex Hillman wrote: > > Lots of great analogies in there, Oren. http://ihighfive.com/ > > > -Alex > > On Tuesday, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Will BennisLocus Workspace < > [email protected] <javascript:>>, wrote: > >> Hi Oren, >> >> I really appreciate your thoughtful reply about this. And it's definitely >> pushed me in the direction of greater support for the "cause." Two >> particular points that I can agree with: (1) the name is being spelled in >> two different ways for no very good reason. We might be able to solve that, >> and get it spelled in the way most people using the word want it to be >> spelled, so why not do it? (2) The way it's spelled matters to a lot of >> people in ways that are not specifically about language clarity and are >> more about identity and community support. And for those people, the >> preferred spelling tends to be "coworking," so why not respect that? >> >> I'm in. I can respect that. >> >> Best, >> Will >> >> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:41:49 PM UTC+2, [email protected] >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Will, >>> >>> I know what your name is, I was just trying to make a point. :) >>> >>> I respect and value your points about no horse in the race and that the >>> indifference of the "co-working" fans would never lead them to debate this >>> to such an extent and that clearly this is something the "coworking" fans >>> are pushing here. I also see your point about the flexibility of language >>> and I agree no entity can stop language from changing and adapting and >>> being interpreted differently in different contexts. >>> >>> All that being said, I find co-working to be disrespectful. There is a >>> distinct difference between your example of "personal computing and >>> computing" and "co-working and coworking". One refers to a rapidly adapting >>> industry where the nature of what was being described changed over time. >>> While coworking is rapidly expanding and comes across new variants all the >>> time, I don't think anyone is claiming a full transformation is happening >>> like in your computing example. >>> >>> Nobody in journalism misspells kibbutz in writing and nobody just >>> started calling them collective agricultural communities either. Kibbutz >>> means something because it staked out the term and owned it. I see the >>> exact same thing happening with coworking except that spelling it >>> co-working means a distinct unfamiliarity with the subject matter. >>> >>> Maybe I'm making some assumptions here, but this was one of the first >>> things I learned about coworking. I don't know a single major organization, >>> association, product, content hub, group or otherwise large group of >>> coworking people identifying under the "co-working" banner. We're all >>> squarely organized under the "coworking" banner. So what if some space >>> operators choose to spell it co-working? Obviously that's their choice as >>> an operator and they're welcome to do so, but to me it's always been a red >>> flag that they're disconnected from the global community. Maybe I'm wrong >>> in assuming so, but in my experience it's been validated pretty >>> consistently. >>> >>> Even if there is little ambiguity in co-working vs. coworking (because >>> there's nothing currently called co-working), it's still very undignified >>> not be regarded as important enough to have a consistent spelling. That's >>> the core issue at hand from my perspective and maybe you disagree, but >>> that's why I think we're talking about entering the dictionary and the >>> style guides. It's for the same reason that a apple is in appropriate but >>> an apple is ok. If I said I'm going to eat a apple, you'd understand me but >>> look at me funny. We're just trying to get the journalists to realize that >>> from our perspective, co-working = a apple. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, September 19, 2014 5:19:38 AM UTC-5, Will Bennis, Locus >>> Workspace wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Oren, >>>> >>>> I appreciate your reply about this! >>>> >>>> Actually, my name is Will, not William, damnit!!! :)))) >>>> >>>> But I don't think this is really the same. >>>> >>>> First, "coworking" isn't a company name or a given name / proper noun. >>>> It's not your name or my name. It's not even "the movement's" name. If >>>> "personal computing" became just "computing," what would you think if >>>> Apple >>>> or Microsoft or a handful of influential early players in the personal >>>> computing industry campaigned against the change and said that we can't >>>> change "their" name, and that it was as though their given names were >>>> being >>>> mis-spelled? I'd personally think they should leave the English language >>>> alone and that it wasn't the role of people in an industry to try to >>>> manage >>>> what have become common nouns in the English language. I have run a >>>> coworking space for more than 4 years now. I care what you call my space >>>> or >>>> what you call me and I care about coworking, but the idea that spelling >>>> coworking differently from how people who run coworking spaces think it >>>> should be spelled, or that misspelling is like misspelling a proper noun >>>> seems to me like a stretch. >>>> >>>> Second, to the extent the name is owned by the community of coworking >>>> space owners, or at least we have a meaningful stake in it (which I think >>>> we do), then who are *we*? You write that after 10 years, the coworking >>>> movement has earned it and that the "rest of us have all settled on >>>> coworking." But I don't think that's true. I see new coworking spaces all >>>> the time that put a hyphen in the term. As I wrote in the previous email, >>>> my (unsubstantiated) hypothesis is that there's really a pretty small >>>> group >>>> of coworking space owners who care about coworking being spelled without a >>>> hyphen. I've never seen poll results and I doubt the question has even >>>> been >>>> put to a wide audience of coworking space owners (and presumably members). >>>> Even within the industry I'd guess the vast majority don't care (if there >>>> were an option included in the poll), and I wouldn't be at all surprised >>>> if >>>> an international poll of coworking space owners and members showed that >>>> the >>>> majority even thought the better spelling would be WITH a hyphen. Why >>>> wouldn't you have heard that? The same reason I almost didn't make the >>>> last >>>> post in the first place: "the other side" (the side that would prefer a >>>> hyphen or just doesn't care), doesn't have a horse in the race, because >>>> for >>>> that side language is organic and functional and they don't see themselves >>>> as owning the name or as there being a meaningful difference in whether >>>> it's spelled with or without a hyphen. (To be clear, I have no idea about >>>> "the other side" or what justifications might be; I've never seen any data >>>> on this; but it also wouldn't surprise me). And the name coworking belongs >>>> to a much wider audience than just us coworking space owners by now, just >>>> as "personal computing belongs" to a much wider audience than Microsoft or >>>> Apple. And the Internet (or now internet) belongs to a much wider audience >>>> than the people who originally coined the name. That's a sign of the >>>> maturity of the word, and something to be proud of as a movement. Not >>>> something to fight against. >>>> >>>> Third, even if we were a coherent community who almost universally >>>> agreed that spelling it without a hyphen was superior, wouldn't it be good >>>> to examine the counter-arguments? If, after we all gave it some thought, >>>> we >>>> agreed that it really didn't matter and that we should let its spelling be >>>> determined organically, then wouldn't we have saved each other a lot of >>>> time working to change something that was better left to grow on its own >>>> according to systems that my be wiser than we are about naming? >>>> >>>> My few cents, anyway. >>>> >>>> Will >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM, [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm with Marius on this one. >>>>> >>>>> I think the important thing here is to get us in the dictionary with >>>>> the spelling we use. >>>>> >>>>> To me, the spelling issue has always been indicative of a bigger >>>>> thing, which is official recognition as part of the English language. >>>>> >>>>> After 10 years, I think the movement has earned it. >>>>> >>>>> William, how would you feel if everyone started calling you Bill or >>>>> Will-iam? What if the difference between Will-iam and William was just in >>>>> written language and not in speech? You even stated that the reason you >>>>> spell it coworking is out of respect for the rest of us that have all >>>>> settled on coworking (you even prefer co-working!). That's all we're >>>>> asking >>>>> of journalists in this case. And if they're denying our requests on the >>>>> basis of being or not being in the dictionary, then let's get in the >>>>> dictionary. >>>>> >>>>> Also Derek, the cowering autocorrect annoys me too! It never learns! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:47:01 PM UTC-5, Marius Amado-Alves >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW, I agree with Will's arguments except the "cow" one. >>>>>> >>>>>> To summarize, the spelling is irrelevant, because there is only one >>>>>> coworking, irrespectively of how it is spelt. As Will points out, >>>>>> working >>>>>> with others in a company is never referred to as coworking. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nevertheless, I think there is interest in diccionarizing the terms. >>>>>> (And then, while we're at it, with the preferred spelling? It would be >>>>>> interesting to watch what happens to the guides.) >>>>>> >>>>> -- >> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Coworking" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Coworking" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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