Dear list members,
I have only been reading this list for the past 8 months or so, with this
being my first post. I have found most of what i have read to be very
educational, but with some of it going over my head, due to this is only my
first year of studying at university after being away from any form of
education for 19 years, so getting to know the some of the new language is a
real task ( which i enjoy).
The reason for this post is i would like to find out what is meant by the
terms "Third Way" and "Planned Economy". Would the list members be so kind
as to point me in the right direction so i can find out about them and what
is meant by the terms.
I look forward to any and all information regarding my post....thanks in
advance to those of you that helped.
Robert A. Smith
Sociology Student,
James Cook University,
Queensland, Australia.
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>Subject: [CrashList] reply to Tom
>Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:41:14 -0700
>
>Tom,
>
>Thanks for your refreshing "wake up and smell the coffee" post. I join you
>as a "neo-malthusian." I also join you as one who rejects, as you
>apparently are wont, the "two-value" logic presented by many marxists. Here
>is my post from 7 August, which received no response at all:
>
>
>Tahir,
>
>I was hoping that this two-value logic ended with the Cold War. You are
>unarguably right that money exists for the purpose of mediating exchange
>values,
>or as you put it, to facilitate the exchange of "commodities." But I am
>convinced that it is just this word "commodity" that requires a working
>definition just now, because I maintain that your other argument, that wage
>labor is presupposed by commodities, is not true. In fact, this is just
>the
>essence of the "Third Way" approach, or what is sometimes termed "free
>market
>socialism." Producer cooperatives like Mondragon have been demonstrating
>for
>many years that commodities can be produced by associations of producers
>who
>simply split uup the proceeds among themselves, without an exploiting class
>to
>put their heavy fingers on the scales of division of "surplus value." It
>is
>rather capitalist production alone that presupposes wage labor. But
>markets and
>commodities get along just fine without it.
>Peace,
>Ken
>
>Tom, This is significant in that it demonstrates a "third way" between
>capitalism and the "planned economy" approach of socialism which yet
>corrects the problem of capitalist exploitation, which even according to
>Marx is the besetting problem of the capitalist scheme of things. I find
>it revealing that no one on this list chose to respond to this challenge,
>despite its empirical, verifiable nature, either by way of affiramtion or
>refutation.
>
>Soviet-style socialism has been shown unworkable, yet when a viable model
>of transcending capitalist relations such as Mondragon is presented, no one
>has anything to say. I suggest that many on this list are dedicated to
>playing a game called ideological "gotcha," and no one that I have read yet
>has shown the slightest interest in delineating a practical program that
>will enaable us to overcome the flaws of capitalism in a way that suffers
>no loss of efficiency such as that attained by the market principle of
>determining demand.
>
>Peace,
>Ken
>
>
>
>
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