I will cal myself to a stop on this thread, but I want to answer some
of the points that leeenglock is raising before I quit to greener
pastures.
En relaci�n a Re: [CrashList] Self Determination- Support It!,
el 21 Aug 00, a las 22:12, leeenglock dijo:
> "....the less well off of its current citizens will find themselves
> in terrible circumstances and the areas with economic resources will
> find themselves balkanized and ruled by elites selected by and working
> in the interests of globalizing imperialism.."
>
> sounds to me like this is what happened already so what is
> the big deal?
It is not a matter of "big deals", it is simply a matter of whether
you are your own master, or you can become your own master, or not.
This is something you find hard to understand, because other people,
centuries ago, already attained that state for you. But you can be
absolutely sure that there is a difference, not even a matter of
"deals" but simply a matter of self respect, in this.
israel if i recall was set up with the help of
> the united nations or its predecessor the league of nations.
No. You are wrong. I have been a Zionist so I should know. It was set
up with the perverted connivence of the British Empire, and was
finally delivered with the joyful help of the United States of
America against that Empire. Both were struggling against the
unification of the Arab peoples in the Middle East. The Israeli
tragedy lies in that nutshell. Their "democratic" constituency is
just a democracy of a Herrenvolk. They became a giant ghetto baked in
Hitler's ovens and served by American oil companies. That grossly.
>
> i would not advocate splitting any country, but rather
> that there might be circumstances when it would serve
> the citizens better that there be referendums held for the
> people affected to see what they want to do.
If there were no imperialist intervention (which in those countries
is a part of the air people breathe) this may sound reasonable. But
unfortunately enough, there IS such intervention. So that no method
should be advisable over others.
the struggle
> you refer to is going to cost many lives, i would not want
> their blood on my hands. the battle against imperialism
> is a myth, it is more a battle with human nature and those
> who have got into positions of power and wealth who
> are now manipulating circumstances.
A myth? It is obvious that you have not seen your country turned into
a colony. I have. I know of myths. I know of realities too.
Best,
N�stor Miguel Gorojovsky
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