Unfortunately this is approximately where I thouht you were coming from; if
I continued this thread I would simply divert the point of Mark's list. We
have far too big a gulf in our thinking not to drag down the list, and I
flame this sort of thing almost out of habit if not principle...
I state simply nothing can be democratic divorced from the economic system
in which it is a part, and that an Imperialist country (which *does* include
Switzerland) is inherently the most anti-democratic of existence. How such a
state treats the citizens that live within its borders, while not totally
irrelevant, is absoltely secondary and seldom a "plus".
I would take an anti-imperialist butcher ahead of a "democratic" statesman
as an advance for the global working class and the existence of the planets
livability every time, it is more what is true democracy. Considering how
outlandish this must sound to you, I guess I'll leave this here and get back
to systemic analysis of what is happeneing around us.
Good luck to you...
Macdonald
----- Original Message -----
From: "leeenglock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CrashList] Self Determination- Support It!
> not ideal but real--might be switzerland with their system
> of cantons so the little regions are represented. u do not
> hear of big fights etc from the swiss. at the same time
> their big companies also seem to own the govt in some
> respects eg the well publicised case of the whistle blower
> from england who was hounded until his wife committed
> suicide etc. then also the norwegian and swedish who
> do not shoot and hang and persecute unlike the asian
> variant of democracy.
>
> rgds
> leelock
>
> ps in a democracy u can make rash judgements
> as long as they do not cause too much damage.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Macdonald Stainsby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [CrashList] Self Determination- Support It!
>
>
> > > it is much easier do deal with one brutal general who
> > > has killed off lots of his own people than to have genuine
> > > democracy and many concerned citizens who will then start
> > > to practise real democracy.
> > >
> > > rgds
> > > leelock
> >
> > Alright... I think I am learning where you are coming from, but before I
> > make a rash judgement, I want you to exapnd on the passage I clipped.
What
> > is "real democracy"?
> >
> > I might be simply moving away from this thread...who knows?
> >
> > Macdonald
> >
> >
> >
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