would it not then make sense to have
more people from russia and indonesia
on the list and alert their decision makers
to the impending crash? i think it is time
to make the effort for outreach, i will dig
up some old contacts and see if they will
are still valid.
rgds
leelock
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: [CrashList] Self Determination- Support It!
>
> Macdonald wrote:
> >
> > I would take an anti-imperialist butcher ahead of a "democratic"
statesman
> > as an advance for the global working class and the existence of
> > the planets
> > livability every time, it is more what is true democracy. Considering
how
> > outlandish this must sound to you, I guess I'll leave this here
> > and get back
> > to systemic analysis of what is happeneing around us.
> >
>
> I think that's right; we need to get back to the topic. Theer are several
> ways Indonesia is potentially very important to the Crash, and they
concern
> the dynamic interactions between energy crisis; the fate of the Asian
> co-prosperity sphere, and the geopolitical stability of the ASEAN
> architecture at a time of tectonic movements between Japan, China and the
> USA. I think we should spend less time discussing the rights and wrongs of
> self-determination in the abstract, or or which imperialism or
> sub-imperialism is worse than another, and concentrate on (a) DATA, hard
> facts, and (b) world-system-level analysis of the Indonesian conjuncture,
> again with much more data and facts and much less opinion.
>
> Otherwise we are surely missing an opportunity. While the US is certainly
a
> more civilised, democratic society than Indonesia, this civility and
> prosperity is unsustainable and has been bought at a price which the
> planetary ecosphere cannot afford. That is the real iss. We are examining
> breakpoint, moments of collapse, first in the outliers of the world-system
> (Russia, Indonesia) and then nearer the cores.
>
> Mark
>
>
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