On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Jude <bookofj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Another approach I considered was making the hell effects caused by > the individual lieutenants of Hell. We needn't explain away fellow > worshipers of a god wanting to kill or harm you -- though perhaps if > these are using Makhleb's power, rather than their own, Makhleb might > refuse to use it against you.
I've been thinking about it some more, and considering that Makhleb's servants aren't always reliable due to his chaotic nature, I wonder why he should protect from hell effects at all. (Besides, shielding from damage isn't enough, as the hell effects that summon monsters can kill you indirectly.) However, if he's going to do so, how about taking a cue from Cheibriados' power over the Abyss and, instead of blocking hell effects, just slow down the rate at which they occur? <snip ideas for hell overhaul> > Of course, I am over-thinking all of this. Yes, but some of the concepts sound interesting in the long term. > I agree. Torment being tied to Kikubaaqudgha is quite nice, and, while > it's not always cheapening, I'd hate to see some of Kiku's unique > flavour being shifted away from her. Yes. However, torment messages currently mention calling on the powers of hell. Maybe this should be changed to powers of darkness to avoid confusion (as Kiku's highest title is Lord of Darkness)? > I'm not sure we need to focus on a "means" to an "end". Makhleb > favours chaos and death and destruction. Do we need to be particularly > concerned about how his followers achieve this? Indeed. > I'm utterly for it. Good to know. > With regards to demons: I'd love to see, in future, a big > differentiation between the demons of the hells and the demons of > Pandemonium. There's considerable overlap which seems to be rather > cheapening, as you can lump them all as "demons" and, at least in our > mythology, they are two distinct places. The same could apply to Pan denizens versus Abyss denizens. > On a final note, it would be pretty cool, at least in a couple of > instances, to adjust the way deaths are handled: for instance, > Kikubaaqudgha's followers get a "you rise from the dead like a > mindless zombie". This is actually Yred; Kiku just gives a "you have failed me" message. > It would thus seem appropriate that, instead of generating a ghost, in > generates a scalable undead type. This is an old idea, and would require expanding the ghost structure. > Likewise, the death of a follower of Makhleb could result in the > creation of a "flaming wraith of hell". Of course, in a lot of > instances these are just flavour, but I think it would be interesting > and cool flavour: we could have powerful followers of Makhleb who died > randomly show up either in their death location, or in a relevant > level of hell. Wouldn't the latter cause Hell to be overflowing with ghosts at some point if too many Makhlebites died around the same time? ---------- Given how this discussion has expanded, the needed changes in the short term would seem to be as follows: * Makhleb flavor text overhaul (cosmetic) * hell lords marked as Makhlebites (no effect other than cosmetic) and flavor text tweaked to match (cosmetic) * Grinder possibly marked as Makhlebite (no effect other than cosmetic) and flavor text tweaked to match (cosmetic) * Ignacio, already a Makhlebite, placement enabled (somewhere in Hells?) * Makhleb impacts hell effects (possibly?), torment message tweaks (cosmetic) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev _______________________________________________ Crawl-ref-discuss mailing list Crawl-ref-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss
