On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote:
But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work of
what should be *on* the website,
+1!
Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The
following website
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING
is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often
needs to be brought up.
Go LG[AF]!
:r
Take care!
Eric
Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven:
I completely agree with a.l.e ...
We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor.
It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to listen
arguments, please read my presentation :
http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at in Firefox)
So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a project, and
we will do it.
And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A website is a
good starting point.
@a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very short
deadline.
We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same "nice points" /
"less nice points" list for Aïki ?
Thanks,
-- yagraph
2010/8/13 [email protected]<[email protected]>
If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to
focus on realidad.
Jon
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<[email protected]> wrote:
hi jon,
This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It
underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission.
Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for
trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get
creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing
creative community?
Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication
happens on the create list and wiki.
What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to
this thread?
Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM
book, and then get sponsors for both...
i can only give my point of view:
- it's about an association not a foundation
- this association should be a tool to promote the free software
graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry
- this association should take over the promotion coordination work
among free software projects in the graphics field
- this association should make sure that a LGM happens
- this association should make sure that some sort of certification is
developed which applies for the free software graphics tools.
i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most
of those tasks.
btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a
broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely
upon.
but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to focus
on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our
software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to
worry, how to collect some money from them!
and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its name/url:
- i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it
- we can't have create.org
- it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of
the market we want to take over.
(well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's
a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and much
better than LG, too. but it's not available.)
now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but i
guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like
a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome.
we are discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to
see the work start!
just my 2.5c.
ciao
a.l.e
p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the
graphics field. nice to know!
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