Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Camille Bissuel <[email protected]> Date: 2010/8/13 Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website To: ricardo lafuente <[email protected]>
That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the technique : content is basically a portal : - News (planet for projects and gallery) - Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events, Teaching certification) - Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users) - Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary, Gallery) - About (LGA, website) But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so. Thanks for the support too ;) --yagraph 2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <[email protected]> On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote: > >> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work >> of what should be *on* the website, >> > > +1! > > Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The > following website > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING > > is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often needs > to be brought up. > > Go LG[AF]! > :r > > > > >> Take care! >> >> Eric >> >> >> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven: >> >> I completely agree with a.l.e ... >>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor. >>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to >>> listen arguments, please read my presentation : >>> http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at in >>> Firefox) >>> >>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a >>> project, and we will do it. >>> >>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A website >>> is a good starting point. >>> >>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very short >>> deadline. >>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same >>> "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -- yagraph >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/8/13 [email protected]<[email protected]> >>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to >>> focus on realidad. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> hi jon, >>>> >>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It >>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission. >>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for >>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get >>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing >>>>> creative community? >>>>> >>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication >>>>> happens on the create list and wiki. >>>>> >>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to >>>>> this thread? >>>>> >>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM >>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both... >>>>> >>>> >>>> i can only give my point of view: >>>> >>>> - it's about an association not a foundation >>>> >>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software >>>> graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry >>>> >>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work >>>> among free software projects in the graphics field >>>> >>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens >>>> >>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is >>>> developed which applies for the free software graphics tools. >>>> >>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most >>>> of those tasks. >>>> >>>> >>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a >>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely >>>> upon. >>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to focus >>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our >>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to >>>> worry, how to collect some money from them! >>>> >>>> >>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its name/url: >>>> >>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it >>>> >>>> - we can't have create.org >>>> >>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of >>>> the market we want to take over. >>>> >>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's >>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and much >>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.) >>>> >>>> >>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but i >>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like >>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome. >>>> we are discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to >>>> see the work start! >>>> >>>> >>>> just my 2.5c. >>>> >>>> ciao >>>> >>>> a.l.e >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the >>>> graphics field. nice to know! >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CREATE mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jon Phillips >>> http://rejon.org/ >>> http://fabricatorz.com/ >>> http://status.net/ >>> http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto >>> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) >>> +86.187.1003.9974 (china) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CREATE mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CREATE mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CREATE mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >> > > _______________________________________________ > CREATE mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >
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