to Alexandre : Why FSF is needed ? Why Mozilla foundation is needed ? Can't you see the great benefit of the Blender foundation for Blender ? Have you an idea of the huge work they do ?
It's not about code, it's about peoples. It's not only about market share, it's in a first place to become more coherent ourselves. I'm tired to answer that on this thread. We just need to talk about the website here. I don't want to justufy the project for each mail I answer... See you -- yagraph 2010/8/13 Camille Bissuel <[email protected]> > Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Camille Bissuel <[email protected]> > Date: 2010/8/13 > Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website > To: ricardo lafuente <[email protected]> > > > That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the > technique : > > > content is basically a portal : > > - News (planet for projects and gallery) > - Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events, > Teaching certification) > - Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users) > - Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary, > Gallery) > - About (LGA, website) > > But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so. > > Thanks for the support too ;) > --yagraph > > > 2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <[email protected]> > > On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote: >> >>> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work >>> of what should be *on* the website, >>> >> >> +1! >> >> Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The >> following website >> >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING >> >> is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often >> needs to be brought up. >> >> Go LG[AF]! >> :r >> >> >> >> >>> Take care! >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> I completely agree with a.l.e ... >>>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor. >>>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to >>>> listen arguments, please read my presentation : >>>> http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at in >>>> Firefox) >>>> >>>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a >>>> project, and we will do it. >>>> >>>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A >>>> website is a good starting point. >>>> >>>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very short >>>> deadline. >>>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same >>>> "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> -- yagraph >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/8/13 [email protected]<[email protected]> >>>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to >>>> focus on realidad. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi jon, >>>>> >>>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It >>>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission. >>>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for >>>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get >>>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing >>>>>> creative community? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication >>>>>> happens on the create list and wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to >>>>>> this thread? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM >>>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> i can only give my point of view: >>>>> >>>>> - it's about an association not a foundation >>>>> >>>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software >>>>> graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry >>>>> >>>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work >>>>> among free software projects in the graphics field >>>>> >>>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens >>>>> >>>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is >>>>> developed which applies for the free software graphics tools. >>>>> >>>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most >>>>> of those tasks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a >>>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely >>>>> upon. >>>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to >>>>> focus >>>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our >>>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to >>>>> worry, how to collect some money from them! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its name/url: >>>>> >>>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it >>>>> >>>>> - we can't have create.org >>>>> >>>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of >>>>> the market we want to take over. >>>>> >>>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's >>>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and >>>>> much >>>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but i >>>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like >>>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome. >>>>> we are discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to >>>>> see the work start! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> just my 2.5c. >>>>> >>>>> ciao >>>>> >>>>> a.l.e >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the >>>>> graphics field. nice to know! >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CREATE mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jon Phillips >>>> http://rejon.org/ >>>> http://fabricatorz.com/ >>>> http://status.net/ >>>> http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto >>>> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) >>>> +86.187.1003.9974 (china) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CREATE mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CREATE mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CREATE mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CREATE mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create >> > > >
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