!!! " I do not think that anyone wants to kill anyone project. The whole purpose of the LGA proposition is collaboration between projects. It's not "a ring to rule them all" neither. "
I've talked about the project at LGM, and we agreed to lauch the project with all peoples at the BoF including Louis and Cédric ! It's the same peoples and the same objective, no one is "diverting away", please ! How many time should I try to explain ? --yagraph 2010/8/13 [email protected] <[email protected]> > Ok, all I see right now is something to divert funding away from LGM. > Does anyone want that? Is that right? > > Jon > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Camille Bissuel <[email protected]> > wrote: > > to Alexandre : > > > > Why FSF is needed ? > > Why Mozilla foundation is needed ? > > Can't you see the great benefit of the Blender foundation for Blender ? > > Have you an idea of the huge work they do ? > > > > It's not about code, it's about peoples. > > It's not only about market share, it's in a first place to become more > > coherent ourselves. > > > > I'm tired to answer that on this thread. We just need to talk about the > > website here. I don't want to justufy the project for each mail I > answer... > > > > See you > > -- yagraph > > > > > > > > > > 2010/8/13 Camille Bissuel <[email protected]> > >> > >> Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ... > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Camille Bissuel <[email protected]> > >> Date: 2010/8/13 > >> Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website > >> To: ricardo lafuente <[email protected]> > >> > >> > >> That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the > >> technique : > >> > >> content is basically a portal : > >> > >> News (planet for projects and gallery) > >> Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events, > >> Teaching certification) > >> Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users) > >> Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary, > >> Gallery) > >> About (LGA, website) > >> > >> But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so. > >> > >> Thanks for the support too ;) > >> --yagraph > >> > >> > >> 2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote: > >>>> > >>>> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual > work > >>>> of what should be *on* the website, > >>> > >>> +1! > >>> > >>> Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The > >>> following website > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING > >>> > >>> is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often > >>> needs to be brought up. > >>> > >>> Go LG[AF]! > >>> :r > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Take care! > >>>> > >>>> Eric > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende > geschreven: > >>>> > >>>>> I completely agree with a.l.e ... > >>>>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor. > >>>>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to > >>>>> listen arguments, please read my presentation : > >>>>> http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at > in > >>>>> Firefox) > >>>>> > >>>>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a > >>>>> project, and we will do it. > >>>>> > >>>>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A > >>>>> website is a good starting point. > >>>>> > >>>>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very > >>>>> short deadline. > >>>>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same > >>>>> "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> -- yagraph > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2010/8/13 [email protected]<[email protected]> > >>>>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to > >>>>> focus on realidad. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jon > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> hi jon, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It > >>>>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a > mission. > >>>>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for > >>>>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get > >>>>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing > >>>>>>> creative community? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication > >>>>>>> happens on the create list and wiki. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to > >>>>>>> this thread? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, > LGM > >>>>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> i can only give my point of view: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - it's about an association not a foundation > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software > >>>>>> graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work > >>>>>> among free software projects in the graphics field > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification > is > >>>>>> developed which applies for the free software graphics tools. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage > most > >>>>>> of those tasks. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering > a > >>>>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / > rely > >>>>>> upon. > >>>>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to > >>>>>> focus > >>>>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our > >>>>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have > to > >>>>>> worry, how to collect some money from them! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its > >>>>>> name/url: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - we can't have create.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of > >>>>>> the market we want to take over. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... > it's > >>>>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and > >>>>>> much > >>>>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, > but > >>>>>> i > >>>>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit > like > >>>>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome. > >>>>>> we are discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice > to > >>>>>> see the work start! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> just my 2.5c. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ciao > >>>>>> > >>>>>> a.l.e > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the > >>>>>> graphics field. nice to know! > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> CREATE mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Jon Phillips > >>>>> http://rejon.org/ > >>>>> http://fabricatorz.com/ > >>>>> http://status.net/ > >>>>> http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto > >>>>> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) > >>>>> +86.187.1003.9974 (china) > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> CREATE mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> CREATE mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> CREATE mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> CREATE mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CREATE mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > > > > > > > > -- > Jon Phillips > http://rejon.org/ > http://fabricatorz.com/ > http://status.net/ > http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto > +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) > +86.187.1003.9974 (china) >
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