On 20/11/2014 7:01 μμ, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
My view is that a coin is an information carrier and indeed is of the category 
of objects found and stored  in a library
C-E
Dear Christian-Emil,

of course we can argue that there is information on it, but we do not acquire coins to get access to the "Expression" on it. A coin would be functional even without any information on it. May be we overstrech the notion of "Expression" in this case? Of course, the coin by its shape represents a symbol, but this symbol classifies the coin. If I have 10 copies of Shakespeare, I would not argue to have acquired more Shakespeare, as I would with 10 Euro coins.

It appears to me, that there is not enough similarity to classify a coin as a Manifestation Product Type.

Opinions?

Best,

Martin

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Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Coins 2 CRM (again)

Dear Dan,

Indeed we have considered your thoughts and  we have defined as
extensions for the coins and later for the CRM:


        E12 Production. PC1 produced things of type: E55 Type
        E22 Man-Made Object. PC2 is example of: E55 Type


Both PC1 and PC2 are subproperties of P2 has type

The above are depicted in slide 23 in my presentation where I describe how
we modeled the categorical production.

We believe that PC1 and PC2 are a generalization of R26 produced things of
type and R7 is example of of FRBR.
FRBR is not suitable for our coin modeling since it refers to bibliographic
information, as Christian-Emil pointed out.

It is open for discussion  if there is a need for generalizing F32 Manifestation
Product Type

This is a topic for future discussion in CRM-SIG.

Best regards,
Maria


On 19/11/2014 3:02 μμ, Dan Matei wrote:


        Dear Maria



        Thanks you. I've read your (very useful) London presentation:



        http://www.slideshare.net/MariaTheodoridou/london-meetup2014-
mappingchi2cidoccrm
<http://www.slideshare.net/MariaTheodoridou/london-meetup2014-
mappingchi2cidoccrm>



        and I plan to take advantage of the mapping:
http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl/3M <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl/3M>



        But I'm tempted to treat the coins as exemplars of an "issue", i.e.



        <F5_Item> <crm:R7_is_example_of>
<crm:F3_Manifestation_Product_Type>



        IMHO, a thing like:



        http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.1(2).cl.31
<http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.1%282%29.cl.31>



        is a F3, mutatis mutandis.



        When you did your mapping did you considered something like this ?
And which were the arguments against ?



        Best,



        Dan





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