Hm... If Manifestation Product Type is restricted to "expression carrier", then please invent something similar for coins/medals/banknotes. There are so many in museums :-)
There is a "Product Type" some numismats call "series", others call "issue". Look at the American Numismatic Society (e.g. http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.1(2).aug.2A a "Product Type" with 5 items). In practice, I would not be confortable with generic Types having properties like "has_axis" or "has_edge_legend". Dan On 20 November 2014 21:29, martin <[email protected]> wrote: > On 20/11/2014 7:01 μμ, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: > >> My view is that a coin is an information carrier and indeed is of the >> category of objects found and stored in a library >> C-E >> > Dear Christian-Emil, > > of course we can argue that there is information on it, but we do not > acquire > coins to get access to the "Expression" on it. A coin would be functional > even without any > information on it. May be we overstrech the notion of "Expression" in this > case? Of course, the coin > by its shape represents a symbol, but this symbol classifies the coin. If > I have 10 copies of Shakespeare, > I would not argue to have acquired more Shakespeare, as I would with 10 > Euro coins. > > It appears to me, that there is not enough similarity to classify a coin > as a Manifestation Product Type. > > Opinions? > > Best, > > Martin > > >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maria >>> Theodoridou >>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:34 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Coins 2 CRM (again) >>> >>> Dear Dan, >>> >>> Indeed we have considered your thoughts and we have defined as >>> extensions for the coins and later for the CRM: >>> >>> >>> E12 Production. PC1 produced things of type: E55 Type >>> E22 Man-Made Object. PC2 is example of: E55 Type >>> >>> >>> Both PC1 and PC2 are subproperties of P2 has type >>> >>> The above are depicted in slide 23 in my presentation where I describe >>> how >>> we modeled the categorical production. >>> >>> We believe that PC1 and PC2 are a generalization of R26 produced things >>> of >>> type and R7 is example of of FRBR. >>> FRBR is not suitable for our coin modeling since it refers to >>> bibliographic >>> information, as Christian-Emil pointed out. >>> >>> It is open for discussion if there is a need for generalizing F32 >>> Manifestation >>> Product Type >>> >>> This is a topic for future discussion in CRM-SIG. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Maria >>> >>> >>> On 19/11/2014 3:02 μμ, Dan Matei wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Maria >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks you. I've read your (very useful) London presentation: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.slideshare.net/MariaTheodoridou/london-meetup2014- >>> mappingchi2cidoccrm >>> <http://www.slideshare.net/MariaTheodoridou/london-meetup2014- >>> mappingchi2cidoccrm> >>> >>> >>> >>> and I plan to take advantage of the mapping: >>> http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl/3M <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl/3M> >>> >>> >>> >>> But I'm tempted to treat the coins as exemplars of an "issue", >>> i.e. >>> >>> >>> >>> <F5_Item> <crm:R7_is_example_of> >>> <crm:F3_Manifestation_Product_Type> >>> >>> >>> >>> IMHO, a thing like: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.1(2).cl.31 >>> <http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.1%282%29.cl.31> >>> >>> >>> >>> is a F3, mutatis mutandis. >>> >>> >>> >>> When you did your mapping did you considered something like this >>> ? >>> And which were the arguments against ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Crm-sig mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Maria Theodoridou >>> R & D Engineer >>> >>> Information Systems Laboratory & Centre for Cultural Informatics >>> Institute of >>> Computer Science Foundation of Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) >>> Science and Technology Park of Crete Vassilika Vouton, P.O.Box 1385, >>> GR-711 >>> 10 Heraklion, Crete, Greece >>> >>> Tel.: +30-2810-391731 Fax: +30-2810-391638 E-mail: [email protected] >>> URL: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | > | Email: [email protected] | > | > Center for Cultural Informatics | > Information Systems Laboratory | > Institute of Computer Science | > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | > | > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | > | > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Matei Institutul Național al Patrimoniului (National Heritage Institute) - București Fundația Gellu Naum TermRom - Asociația Română de Terminologie
