Dear Martin, I see your and Stephen's point. Shakespeare may be considered as a result a work of the Allmighty though. Ten copies of Shakespeare may represent a lot of Euros.
The design of the faces of a coin is usually the result of a human's intentional work. F2 Expression: " This class comprises the intellectual or artistic realisations of works in the form of identifiable immaterial objects, such as texts, poems, jokes, musical or choreographic notations, movement pattern, sound pattern, images, multimedia objects, or any combination of such forms that have objectively recognisable structures. The substance of F2 Expression is signs." >From the view point of Art History the surface design of a coin can be of >interest. The function of a coin is usually to be a symbol of a hopefully >mutual agreed value. The same is the case of a postage stamp, still the design >of the surface can be a piece of art (as can the surface of a coin). What is >the denotation of 'image' in the above scopenote? This is not a big issue for me. However, it may be so that many of us have just one view on a coin - as a the symbol of the value. I am not sure all numismatists will agree on that. C-E >-----Original Message----- >From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of martin >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:30 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Coins 2 CRM (again) > >On 20/11/2014 7:01 μμ, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: >> My view is that a coin is an information carrier and indeed is of the >> category of objects found and stored in a library C-E >Dear Christian-Emil, > >of course we can argue that there is information on it, but we do not acquire >coins to get access to the "Expression" on it. A coin would be functional even >without any information on it. May be we overstrech the notion of >"Expression" in this case? Of course, the coin by its shape represents a >symbol, but this symbol classifies the coin. >If I have 10 copies of Shakespeare, >I would not argue to have acquired more Shakespeare, as I would with 10 >Euro coins. > >It appears to me, that there is not enough similarity to classify a coin as a >Manifestation Product Type. > >Opinions? > >Best, > >Martin >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Maria Theodoridou >>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:34 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Coins 2 CRM (again) >>> >>> Dear Dan, >>> >>> Indeed we have considered your thoughts and we have defined as >>> extensions for the coins and later for the CRM: >>> >>> >>> E12 Production. PC1 produced things of type: E55 Type >>> E22 Man-Made Object. PC2 is example of: E55 Type >>> >>> >>> Both PC1 and PC2 are subproperties of P2 has type >>> >>> The above are depicted in slide 23 in my presentation where I >>> describe how we modeled the categorical production. >>> >>> We believe that PC1 and PC2 are a generalization of R26 produced >>> things of type and R7 is example of of FRBR. >>> FRBR is not suitable for our coin modeling since it refers to >>> bibliographic information, as Christian-Emil pointed out. >>> >>> It is open for discussion if there is a need for generalizing F32 >>> Manifestation Product Type >>> >>> This is a topic for future discussion in CRM-SIG. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Maria >>> >>> >>> On 19/11/2014 3:02 μμ, Dan Matei wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Maria >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks you. I've read your (very useful) London presentation: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.slideshare.net/MariaTheodoridou/london-meetup2014- >>> mappingchi2cidoccrm >>> <http://www.slideshare.net/MariaTheodoridou/london-meetup2014- >>> mappingchi2cidoccrm> >>> >>> >>> >>> and I plan to take advantage of the mapping: >>> http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl/3M <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl/3M> >>> >>> >>> >>> But I'm tempted to treat the coins as exemplars of an "issue", i.e. >>> >>> >>> >>> <F5_Item> <crm:R7_is_example_of> >>> <crm:F3_Manifestation_Product_Type> >>> >>> >>> >>> IMHO, a thing like: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.1(2).cl.31 >>> <http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.1%282%29.cl.31> >>> >>> >>> >>> is a F3, mutatis mutandis. >>> >>> >>> >>> When you did your mapping did you considered something like this ? >>> And which were the arguments against ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Crm-sig mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> Maria Theodoridou >>> R & D Engineer >>> >>> Information Systems Laboratory & Centre for Cultural Informatics >>> Institute of Computer Science Foundation of Research and Technology - >>> Hellas (FORTH) Science and Technology Park of Crete Vassilika Vouton, >>> P.O.Box 1385, GR-711 >>> 10 Heraklion, Crete, Greece >>> >>> Tel.: +30-2810-391731 Fax: +30-2810-391638 E-mail: >>> [email protected] >>> URL: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | > | Email: [email protected] | > | > Center for Cultural Informatics | > Information Systems Laboratory | > Institute of Computer Science | > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | > | > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | > | > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Crm-sig mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
