Dear George,
How nice!
I believe the concept of "Expression" as something permanent, i.e., the
FRBR concept of it, actually confuses the problem. "Expression" is to my
understanding a process, an activity, and only in a second meaning the
product. I do not see any difference to lots of best singers of the
world performing in their bath rooms.
What is the point in knowing the absolutely greatest work of art? A Zen
master was asked what the most valuable thing in the world is. He
answered: the head of a dead cat. Why? because nobody would give a price
for it...;-)
We have discussed the "Expression Creation", the actually genuine
Expression, as a process of externalization, and attempt to communicate
something. I'd say things become culturally relevant by their social
impact, and that is what we document.
If we would generalize over that, the result of an "Expression Creation"
would be anything left on another carrier, be it in the heart of an
audience, or on paper, or any other form. If the identity condition of
such an Expression Creation is in the intention, carriers lost in the
process as in your example would qualify. On the other side, if someone
is eavesdropping on the bathroom song, we may even then talk of an
Expression, or? Then, the "creation" part is more specific, and may be
incidental or accidentally flawed.
Anyway, I think this view would greatly simplify things.
Cheers,
Martin
On 9/17/2018 10:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:
I had this reference in mind, which I’ve been looking for for a long
time:
https://books.google.gr/books?id=8Nbqn-7RKpYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=woolfe+artist+napkin+water+painted+word&source=bl&ots=NLFB8BL-w9&sig=7HX0xB1GSR_l9D6TgsSKRCFoHyc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicu8WI58LdAhURaVAKHWZKBmoQ6AEwFXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=woolfe%20artist%20napkin%20water%20painted%20word&f=false
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On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Martin Doerr <[email protected]
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On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote:
Hi Thanasis,
Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors.
Scribbling your master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin
or so. So I would agree that the language should probably change to
reflect that.
Indeed, there are lots of inscriptions, texts written in notebooks
etc. Need not be so exotic. Probably many manuscripts are not
exclusive to one carrier.
But we have to check if in LRMoo it is already obsolete.
Cheers,
Martin
Cheers,
George
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On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear all,
I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an
answer for:
Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of
E22?
Its scope note starts with: "This class comprises physical objects..."
and we are always talking about a carrier. Are there any examples of
features-carriers that I can't think of? If, when scratching a poem
on a
rocky mountain, the mountain is considered a carrier, then I think we
should update the scope note to reflect that.
All the best,
Thanasis
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