Well, performances are usually not part of library or museum collections. The theatre museums I have worked with collect artefacts, texts, stage models etc. etc. but not performances. They do collect traces of performances though: reviews, programmes, posters, stage drawings, costumes, video recordings etc.
But once an information system is created the performances find their natural place there. As they do in CRM and FRBR. Another thing is the performative aspects of art forms traditionally not seen as performative, such as literature. As far as I know this is still a disputed area. All the best, Øyvind > Am 18.09.2018 um 11:54 schrieb Martin Doerr <[email protected]>: > > Dear George, > > How nice! > > I believe the concept of "Expression" as something permanent, i.e., the FRBR > concept of it, actually confuses the problem. "Expression" is to my > understanding a process, an activity, and only in a second meaning the > product. I do not see any difference to lots of best singers of the world > performing in their bath rooms. > > What is the point in knowing the absolutely greatest work of art? A Zen > master was asked what the most valuable thing in the world is. He answered: > the head of a dead cat. Why? because nobody would give a price for it...;-) > > We have discussed the "Expression Creation", the actually genuine Expression, > as a process of externalization, and attempt to communicate something. I'd > say things become culturally relevant by their social impact, and that is > what we document. > > If we would generalize over that, the result of an "Expression Creation" > would be anything left on another carrier, be it in the heart of an audience, > or on paper, or any other form. If the identity condition of such an > Expression Creation is in the intention, carriers lost in the process as in > your example would qualify. On the other side, if someone is eavesdropping on > the bathroom song, we may even then talk of an Expression, or? Then, the > "creation" part is more specific, and may be incidental or accidentally > flawed. > > Anyway, I think this view would greatly simplify things. > > Cheers, > > Martin > > > > On 9/17/2018 10:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote: >> I had this reference in mind, which I’ve been looking for for a long time: >> >> https://books.google.gr/books?id=8Nbqn-7RKpYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=woolfe+artist+napkin+water+painted+word&source=bl&ots=NLFB8BL-w9&sig=7HX0xB1GSR_l9D6TgsSKRCFoHyc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicu8WI58LdAhURaVAKHWZKBmoQ6AEwFXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=woolfe%20artist%20napkin%20water%20painted%20word&f=false >> >> <https://books.google.gr/books?id=8Nbqn-7RKpYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=woolfe+artist+napkin+water+painted+word&source=bl&ots=NLFB8BL-w9&sig=7HX0xB1GSR_l9D6TgsSKRCFoHyc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicu8WI58LdAhURaVAKHWZKBmoQ6AEwFXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=woolfe%20artist%20napkin%20water%20painted%20word&f=false> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Dr. George Bruseker >> R & D Engineer >> >> Centre for Cultural Informatics >> Institute of Computer Science >> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) >> Science and Technology Park of Crete >> Vassilika Vouton, P.O.Box 1385, GR-711 10 Heraklion, Crete, Greece >> >> Tel.: +30 2810 391619 Fax: +30 2810 391638 E-mail: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> URL: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl> >> >>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Martin Doerr <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> On 9/16/2018 3:49 PM, George Bruseker wrote: >>>> Hi Thanasis, >>>> >>>> Yes I would take it that that was the intention of the authors. Scribbling >>>> your master piece in water on the back of a torn napkin or so. So I would >>>> agree that the language should probably change to reflect that. >>> Indeed, there are lots of inscriptions, texts written in notebooks etc. >>> Need not be so exotic. Probably many manuscripts are not exclusive to one >>> carrier. >>> >>> But we have to check if in LRMoo it is already obsolete. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Martin >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Dr. George Bruseker >>>> R & D Engineer >>>> >>>> Centre for Cultural Informatics >>>> Institute of Computer Science >>>> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) >>>> Science and Technology Park of Crete >>>> Vassilika Vouton, P.O.Box 1385, GR-711 10 Heraklion, Crete, Greece >>>> >>>> Tel.: +30 2810 391619 Fax: +30 2810 391638 E-mail: >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> URL: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Athanasios Velios <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I looked through the mailing list archive but could not find an answer >>>>> for: >>>>> >>>>> Why is F4 Manifestation Singleton a child of E24 and not a child of E22? >>>>> >>>>> Its scope note starts with: "This class comprises physical objects..." >>>>> and we are always talking about a carrier. Are there any examples of >>>>> features-carriers that I can't think of? If, when scratching a poem on a >>>>> rocky mountain, the mountain is considered a carrier, then I think we >>>>> should update the scope note to reflect that. >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> >>>>> Thanasis >>>>> This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and >>>>> may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended >>>>> recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any >>>>> action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. >>>>> Please send the email back to us and immediately and permanently delete >>>>> it and its attachments. Where this email is unrelated to the business of >>>>> University of the Arts London or of any of its group companies the >>>>> opinions expressed in it are the opinions of the sender and do not >>>>> necessarily constitute those of University of the Arts London (or the >>>>> relevant group company). 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