One fact of life that most people ignore or refuse to believe...... the higher the 
octane, the more difficult it is to start a cold vehicle.  Higher octane means slower 
burning (and starting!)  It is fine for warm engine / environment, but when the 
temperature begins to drop, so does the ability of starting the engine.

YMMV - 

David Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'89 CRX DX, white, 198K miles
'90 CRX Si, yellow, 49K miles
'02 Civic EX, ruby, 22K miles
'96 Helix, black, 16K miles


-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Kosiek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:52 AM
To: 'Willy'; crx
Subject: CRX: RE: riddle me this?!


  I don't really know if this may be the fact or if it may even be true, but
I took my wifes Acura 3.2 TL in not too long ago because it had the same
sounding symptoms when it would start in the morning.  I paid the dealer 70$
because I really could not figure it out my self.  The gent comes back and
tells me It is excessive build of carbon on the valve stems and piston tops
so when the injectors prime every morning the carbon absorbs the majority of
the fuel , until the carbon is saturated with fuel it then runs fine.  He
stated to use fuel addatives for a couple months to clean it all out.  I use
Mystery Marvel Oil and always 93 Octane at every fuel up and ever since the
car runs great.  My CRX runs with octane booster at every fill up just
because the ZC likes to drink it better and run smoother.
  I see you stated you use injector cleaner once a month so this may not
apply to you, but if you know Honda Engines they are great carbon builders. 
  Have you noticed this problem after you use the injector cleaner?
  To me this stuff with the carbon and fuel on my wifes Acura is new to me.


Nick K
Jacksonville, Fl

--1990 CRX DX--
Timeline -      1-1.5 SOHC      -Intentially ran into the ground
                1-1.6 SOHC      -Same deal
                2-ZC's  -Starved Oil on the first, and the second runs
Perfect.
DC Sports Header, Original Weapon R Half Cold Air Intake, 1991 SI Tranny,
Lightened Flywheel, ACT Street disc with Extreme Pressure Plate, NGK
Ignition Wires, NipponDenso Iridium SparkPlugs, Greddy/Trust SP Exhaust,
Test Pipe(No Cat), Eibach Prokit, OE Struts-(The actual originals pending
replacement along with the bushings), Strut tower Bars Front and Rear, Lower
rear tie bar, Power Slot rotors, Half Destroyed WingsWest RS Front bumper,
Flat Black Paint/primer Exterior, 1998 HX Civic Rims 14 inch powder coated
bronze, and GUTTED interior - 
 - Under Construction since 1998, still under construction Pending Funding.

"Looks aren't everything, It's all about what's inside that counts"

-----What do you think would cause a car (mine obviously) to not want to
start when it's cold**, but once warmed up, it starts fine.----

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