See, that's the opposite point of view one could have on this. One could
just as easily say you'd be one of those called-out 10 year olds for
being "naive" since there's no actual proof for that, it's just
narrow-minded blind trust. You could argue that in your case Valve would
have reverted the quickplay changes.
I'm not sure what some people expect here. Of course there's going to be
a lot of protest. Some server ops are really invested into their hobby
(or business), and those changes have a crucial effect on the future of
their communities. And of course there has to be a lot of protest simply
so that Valve notices the severity of the issue. If you like to
criticize the way that happens, go ahead. But watch out, a non-hypocrite
would simply not reply to the mailing list instead of calling people out.
If anything, it seems realistic to expect that Valve will continue to
follow a matchmaking path (If you take a look at how the games
developed, from tf2 - l4d - l4d2 - csgo - dota).
And honestly, one can only blame them to a certain degree. This is a
double-sized sword after all. There are a lot of server ops out there
with their p2w and ad-invested servers. L4D(2) for example had a real
community server hate. Almost every server game would follow a lobby
vote with the phrase "ugh modded server"/"modded servers are shit" if
the server was a third party one. Granted, in that particular case the
issue was the lack of a sufficient amount of official servers, low
tickrate on official servers (30), unbalanced and bugged gameplay that
actually made it necessary to play on community servers. But that's not
what Valve might have picked up. All they get might have been an "ugh
modded server".
I used to run a script that connected to every non-official tf2 server
just to made a picture of how ad-infested the servers are. I kept the
speakers on, and every 30 seconds there was an ad playing. One might
argue and say "you can just disable motds". Don't expect the majority of
the playerbase to be able to do that. You can expect the average player
to maybe set their resolution and mouse sensitivity, that's it.
Everything else is only used by the tip of the playerbase eisberg. Plus,
there's still the p2w-shit going on.
If there's an interest, I could make efforts to measure how many servers
are actually ad-infested, so that this can be quantified. I'm warning
you though, you won't be happy with the results.
If I might suggest something:
-We need more (and more effective) communication between Valve and the
community. After all, the community is what made Valve big. Hiring
community managers who have an ear to the ground of the community might
help improve the current signal to noise ratio. One or two job openings
per game is money well invested. (Compare that to the money that went
into L4D2's advertising campaign for example.)
-We need a server rep system. Servers can already be reported, but I
think this hasn't gone far enough yet. IMO P2W servers should be banned
(it should be a reportable offense, bb saigns - who happen to have a
shit ton of servers), as well as the worst of the ad-infested servers.
I'm sure with enough discussion a reasonable ruleset can be found. There
will be enough playerbase for the decent servers, and the playerbase
might actually grow since there won't be as much abusive server ops now.
Win-win.
One might argue how bans would be possible? How they would matter so
that people couldn't just go ahead and reopen the server?
-There is already a server-key-identification routine in place to update
favorites when the server's address changes. These servers are bound to
steam accounts. Just disallow the entire steam account to host servers,
and set up restrictions as to who is allowed to host. Otherwise the
server simply won't show up in the server browser. For rare exceptions,
allow servers to be registered on a review basis. If restrictions are
set too high for some people, this would still allow them to host servers.
Also keep in mind: 20/80 rule applies here. There will always be people
who fall through the gaps when they shouldn't. But the situation as it
is now, without anything in place, is a road that's headed to collision
course.
On 28.05.2015 04:37, Neuro Toxin wrote:
Thats in the past. I'm sure Valve learn from past exp.
-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Loveless
Date:28/05/2015 10:59 (GMT+10:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Not receiving item drops on community
servers.
We were upset because if you look at the things Valve did to TF2, just
for instance, you would understand why we were so worried that the
community was about to get shut out even more than it already is with
Valve revolving every new thing around their own servers. For a lot of
us, this is part of our livelihood. Years and years spent developing
large communities, some of which are barely hanging on due to the
disadvantages Valve has put on us with their heavily involved server
presence. Valve is known for not giving a crap about what the
community wants, so I'm glad a huge uproar was made.
As far as Wicked Player, he can come and say what he wants but he
literally doesn't matter a single solitary bit. He doesn't own a
community, doesn't run servers, doesn't stream, isn't a pro player,
isn't a youtube personality. He is a guy that literally spends his
waking moments awaiting updates from a variety of Valve platforms so
he can instantly post them on Reddit. So I don't think we should get
too caught up in a fuss over him. Let's keep the fighting among us
hard working server owners =D
Since ya know, this is the csgo_servers mailing list. Not the
publicity whore express.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Ben Finzel <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's mental masturbation.
He isn't necessarily wrong in his argument, but he isn't saying
anything insightful either. I've watched him dickwave his way
through Reddit for long enough to know he can't resist commenting
on something like this. At least he added some comedy to this rant
with his "don't make me run to mommy and daddy" bit halfway through.
Anybody can look back on the way people acted in the spur of the
moment and preach about how things should have been handled. Did
you see Wicked gracing us with his opinion when this discussion
was ongoing? No, you didn't. You never will.
Not going to say anything more on this though since now its me
shitting up peoples emails. Sorry folks.
On May 27, 2015 8:14 PM, "Daniel Barreiro"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's funny how I said right after the initial email let's not
turn this into a conspiracy clusterfuck and then this happened.
Also https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Ben Finzel
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's funny how the second you see "wickedplayer" you know
you're about to get a heavy dose of holier than though
washed down by a wholesome glass of Powertrip.
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