and by the way dion
when did you apply for residency
dion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
dion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Oh! ok thanks, sorry I read my ID wrong it said South African.
Whats a Wheezo?
Later Guy.
On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 04:33 -0700, Java Mad wrote:
> thats just the thingy dion
>
> it also depends on what AFRICANS you talking about
>
> Cuase it was reckoned in the past that those AFRICANS leave the south
> of AFRICA
> for europe or even USA etc due to the fact of AA (Affirmative Action)
> you Weezo
>
> Moving overseas is easier said than done
> But the disadvantaged are stuck here since we dont have money.
> Ive been too PTA and thats been difficult if you dont have money.
> Nobody will let you live or let you lodge if you didnt pay in advance.
> A friend of mine went to Brittian and he must have R50 000
> So think before you flame Wheezo
>
> dion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> AAAAARRGGHHHH!!!
> We are all African, otherwise they live overseas. Not so!
>
> Get a different perspective and attitude, guy.
> Go code something!!! do some work, just stop polluting the
> forum, become
> constructive.
>
>
> On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 04:08 -0700, Java Mad wrote:
> > nicely put!
> >
> > but may i ask you guys and gals how did you get there....
> > i think there is a color issue involved in this issue too
> >
> > may i get a raise of hands on who white,coloured, blank and
> indian
> >
> > my premonitions tell me that 90% is white gathered from the
> names on
> > the list
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Well put, that is an accurate summation of the situation.
> >
> > On that basis then, those companies which hire people ready
> to
> > roll do not have that much credibility when complaining
> about
> > not being able to find good people. There are not enough
> good
> > people because there are not enough companies willing to
> take
> > on newbies and make them good.
> >
> > Companies need to take a long term view, not that easy I
> know,
> > and hire someone who is sharp (has good problem solving and
> > thinking skills) but does not yet have the knowledge for
> them
> > to hit the ground running. Ability (intelligence and problem
> > solving), I think, carries a higher weighting than
> > experience/knowledge. Knowledge can be gained from a book
> and
> > experience comes with time, but ability comes from within.
> > Invest in the person and somehow tie them up for one, maybe
> > two years if possible - the ideal approach in this regard is
> > to find them while in their last year of university.
> >
> > That's from the employers perspective.
> >
> > From the employee's perspective:
> > When a company takes on a junior and provides them with a
> year
> > of experience, the employee may not yet have performed
> > sufficiently to move up a bracket - however, based on that
> > employees one year of experience they can now go and sell
> > themselves to another employer as a "higher bracket"
> developer
> > even though they are in fact not worth the amount which the
> > new employer is willing to pay. It is a result of the
> > "contracting" approach that companies use, but I'm not sure
> > that it is in the developers long term interests to employ
> > this strategy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Carl Woermann"
> >
> > Sent by:
> > [email protected]
> > 2006/07/05 09:37 AM
> > Please respond to
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> > To
> > [email protected]
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > [CTJUG Forum]
> > Re: Employment
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think this phenomenon is the result of the industry... a
> lot
> > of us do 3-6-12 month contracts - (so far I still have to
> get
> > a permanent job offer myself) - the whole nature of the
> coding
> > bussiness is that you come in do the work and disappear when
> > done. (The up side is that you sometimes get paid a bit
> better
> > than permanent staff - but that is another issue..).
> >
> > As a result no long term relationships develops (as in for
> > example investment of time) between employers and coders -
> > the traditional idea of doing "apprenticeship" time falls
> > away and you have to deliver the movent you start working.
> > Since many big companies are frustrated with the idea of
> > hiring staff that does not deliver the moment they step into
> > work they resort to using agents... who are just a cover for
> > harder working/firing conditions, and get some of the fat in
> > return. They also don't want to deliver unexperienced
> coders,
> > (= unhappy emplyer and no fat) so there is no chance for you
> > there.
> >
> > So in the modern version of the apprenticeship is as
> follows:
> > eventually you find someone with a tight enough budget to
> give
> > you a try (he knows you are desparate and is willing to
> > exploit that ! )--- hold on tight (for the lowest salary
> ever
> > and the longest working hours) -- but after that you have
> the
> > experience and are able to ask for what is due....
> > my say for the day..C
> >
> > On 7/5/06, FBulovic wrote:
> >
> >
> > Clint Lewis wrote:
> > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT
> > >
> > > So what does a fresh graduate with no experience fall
> under
> > and also how
> > > does a graduate become a junior if companies are looking
> for
> > Juniors
> > > with 1 years experience?
> > >
> > > Kind Regards
> > > Clint Lewis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > FBulovic wrote:
> > > > Qualification and more than one year of development in
> > Java will do.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > There is few options:
> > 1. find employer which does not require experience
> > 2. join some open source project (or start yours) so that
> you
> > can gain
> > experience
> > 3. invent required experience
> >
> > I am not working on that project and I am not making any
> > decisions
> > related to it (I work on Symbian OS in C++), but about
> > experience I can
> > tell you that I am willing to give job to any decent coder
> and
> > usually
> > people fresh from university need some time to become
> coders.
> > On the
> > other hand some project managers (all of them) just trying
> to
> > finish
> > job and they do not find time, founding and so on to
> introduce
> > people
> > without work experience to their companies. Again who would
> > risk money
> > and time to educate beginner when in year or so that
> beginner
> > wants to
> > move to another company (naturally looking for better salary
> > than one
> > which goes with junior position).
> >
> > Regards
> > FBulovic
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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