On 5/22/07, Alwyn Schoeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm expecting Microsoft to do a huge .Net pitch to government about this > :)
Would be in vain thankfully. I can't imagine anyone paying 400 million for a system that they are going to just give up on. On 5/22/07, Bobby Quinne < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5/22/07, Boniface Kabaso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the information guys. Not good PR for Java & OSS to a lay > > > person. > > > > > > I disagree, I have seen no mention of java on the news. To the lay > > person its just a hidious waste of money with longer queues. > > > > I guess it is an architectural design & a software methodology issue > > > at fault here and Java & OSS have just gotten caught up in the crossfire. > > > Not enough to just know to program. > > > > > > Take into account they won this contract back in 2001, its taken 6 years > > to complete...My feeling is usually poor managers. Its not like you have 15 > > crack programmers building a system the way they envision it should work. > > It's more interfacing with legacy(which I have picked on the news) systems > > and understanding how those systems work(ala > > http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2SE/farecompare/). > > Business analysts are supposed to gather those requirements and put them > > into technical facts for the programmers. If your programmers don't > > understand the problem space(in context of what the client expects) then how > > are you going to deliver a product they are happy with. > > Tho the problems on the news are more related to actual reliability, > > that should of been picked up in the lab. > > > > On 5/22/07, Bobby Quinne < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/21/07, Alwyn Schoeman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but open source != huge budget, not at the service > > > > > levels they are achieving. > > > > > So I would assume 99% of the budget went into pockets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not strictly true, assuming there was any due diligence on the > > > > technology selection it could be OSS could come out better int erms of > > > > productivity, performance and not wholly on cost. However that being > > > > said, > > > > I agree with your statement about kickbacks :-) > > > > > > > > On 5/21/07, Jeff Mutonho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/21/07, Boniface Kabaso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just want to ask a question about the eNatis. I was listening > > > > > > on the radio > > > > > > > while driving home to the eNatis guy saying something like > > > > > > they have > > > > > > > increased their server capacity and that it should sort out > > > > > > the current > > > > > > > problems they are experiencing. They actually had to take the > > > > > > system offline > > > > > > > to do that! It struck me like they were having some serious > > > > > > scalability > > > > > > > issues and just wondered why these tests were not made during > > > > > > development > > > > > > > considering the budget they had. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, just out of curiosity, does anybody on this forum know > > > > > > what > > > > > > > technology is behind eNatis, ie J2EE, .NET, CORBA or some > > > > > > proprietary > > > > > > > client/server or internet technology? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those that have been too busy hacking away at your > > > > > > projects to notice > > > > > > > what is going on, eNatis is the Government's new electronic > > > > > > national traffic > > > > > > > information system that is supposed to solve most of the > > > > > > problems in the > > > > > > > traffic department that deal with vehicle registration and > > > > > > all, bringing in > > > > > > > benefits like transactions processing through ATMs and the > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boniface > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the following point you in the right direction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jsp?forum=83&thread=222641 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)"Vorster explains eNatis is based on "free and open source > > > > > > software" > > > > > > and the "open source footprint of the project is constantly > > > > > > increased". Familiar software includes Java and RedHat > > > > > > Enterprise > > > > > > Linux as the operating system for application servers in the > > > > > > data > > > > > > centre and disaster recovery centre, as well as in the > > > > > > fault-logging > > > > > > system, and JasperReports as report-generating technology." > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/business/2007/0704231035.asp?S=IT%20in%20Government&A=ITG&O=FRGN > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don't take the name of root in vain." > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Mutonho > > > > > > Cape Town > > > > > > South Africa > > > > > > > > > > > > GoogleTalk : ejbengine > > > > > > Skype : ejbengine > > > > > > Registered Linux user number 366042 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Alwyn Schoeman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > If you have something tough, give it to the Americans. If you have > > > > something difficult, give it to the Indians. If you have something > > > > impossible, give it to the Russians > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > If you have something tough, give it to the Americans. If you have > > something difficult, give it to the Indians. If you have something > > impossible, give it to the Russians > > > > > > > > > -- > Alwyn Schoeman > > > > -- If you have something tough, give it to the Americans. If you have something difficult, give it to the Indians. If you have something impossible, give it to the Russians --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CTJUG Forum" group. 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