-Caveat Lector-
I lived overseas, Hawk. (Mexico) I've had to come to the aid of
Americans stranded down there..and in one case, they were tourists about
to be jumped by the locals. I speak Spanish and with my Native American
blood gives me a Hispanic look...so I can easily pass as Mexican down
there... although I'm over six feet inches tall.... Americans should stay
the hell out of these places..but they still wonder into them without
realizing that not everyone is in love with them.
As far as shooting a representative of the government, I don't think
that's a good idea... I don't think I would want my kids to be doing hard
time or to be six feet under...
Re: the south. I'm all for the idea of letting them separate from
themselves from the US. Great idea.
Re: oaths. There is a question about doing the honorable thing. If you
put on the uniform of your country, you have committed yourself to serve
under its commander.... It doesn't matter whether or not the guy is a son
of a bitch, a born-again Christian, of a political party that you
approve of...is sitting in the Oval Office with a woman on his knee,
smoking an illegal drug. You follow orders and go where they send you and
do your duty. If you don't like it, take off the uniform..and join
another army.
Re: Grant's view on slavery...A lot of the Union
soldiers/commanders/politicians had no special love for the idea of racial
equality, abolition of slavery, etc. so what. They did their duty which
involved putting an end to the rebellion.
As I stated earlier, I think states do have the right to remove themselves
from the Union...... Perhaps, California will go back to Mexico...Florida
to Cuba ...personally, I'm not against whatever the people in the state
decide on... If they want to leave the US...that's fine by me.
Regards,
Wm
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
>
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>
> > Davis and the other southern commanders had taken oaths as soldiers and as
> > politicians to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States.
> > They were bound by that oath not to work against the best interests of the
> > nation.
>
> Were these, as you suggest, "life-time oaths," or oaths as officers in the Army or
> employees of the govm't? Having once served in the United States Air Force, am I
> forever bound by the oath I took when I was commissioned, or did my obligation to
>that
> oath -- as an officer -- end when I resigned my commission? As an employee wherever
>you
> work, there is at least an implied duty to submit to the demands of your employer...
> Does that obligation extend beyond your term of employment? When one takes an oath
>as a
> juror, is he bound to that oath even after being dismissed?
>
> > By taking up arms against their country, they were committing an act of treason..
>
> They didn't take up arms against their country... In Lee's case, you may recall, he
> resigned his commission RATHER THAN take up arms against his country, which was
> Virginia.
>
> > Sorry if that offends some of you but that is a fact.
>
> You need to brush up on your facts... What you are saying is not true.
>
> > Remember, General Grant, who probably more than anyone, knew and respected
> > his southern counterparts (hell...he had served with almost all of them during the
> > Mexican-American war), was not sentimental about it.
>
> However, General Grant made the statement, while serving as a general in the United
> States Army, then at war with the Confederate States of America, "If I thought this
>war
> was about abolishing slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword and my
> services to the Confederacy." You're right... He wasn't a sentimentalist.
>
> > If you take up arms against your government, you are guilty of treason.
>
> Sometimes... However, those Confederates did not take up arms against THEIR
>government,
> but against a hostile nation bent on destroying their government.
>
> > If my son or daughter is wearing a uniform of the United States government, and he
> > encounters some treasonous, murderous son of a bitch who believes that he is
>serving
> > God or Dixie or the Devil-himself by pointing a gun at him or her....I would
>advise my
> > son or daughter to blow that son of a bitch away without a moment's hesitation.
>
> Quite so... If my son or daughter encountered a son-of-a-bitch who was wearing the
> uniform of the United States, and was bent on their destruction, I would advise them
>to
> blow him away... The uniform be-damned.
>
> > Now, personally, I'm not against the idea of a state removing itself from the Union
> > (if it could be done peacefully and without bloodshed...property rights and civil
> > liberties respected, etc. Go for it).
>
> That is precisely what each of the states that formed the Confederacy did.
>
> > Personally, I don't give a damn whether you are white, black,brown, southern,
> > northern, Christian, Jew or atheist...whether you are male or female..rich or
> > poor...if you live in a trailer or a million dollar house.. if you've only lived in
> > this country for a year...or if you can boast of Revolutionary War ancestors...you
>are
> > an American; and you are my brother or sister.
>
> Nor do I....
>
> > And if you get into trouble in some damned forsaken corner of the globe,
> > you can count on me or someone like me ( Americans come in a variety of
> > different colors, sizes and shapes) to help you out.
>
> Don't count on me.... I think people should have sense enough to stay out of
>countries
> that are run by fools and outlaws.... Come to think of it, where is a country that
>ISN'T
> run by fools?
>
> > When you are overseas and you are in a tight spot..these differences aren't so
> > important.
>
> When's the last time you did that? I mean, are you talking sentimental bullshit, or
> have you actually gone to the rescue of such folks? Personally, I have... more than
> once... I'd like to hear about when you "walked the walk" rather than "talked the
>talk."
>
> Hawk
>
>
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