"Really, I cannot understand why we cannot have a tab on which any USER can list his/her preferred modules and can order them as per his/her preferred workflow"
thats quite easy - because none of those who want this feature become active, fork the code and simply implement the stuff ... Am Mi., 17. Feb. 2021 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb Maurizio Paglia < mpagl...@gmail.com>: > Hi all, > I desire to let you have my opinion about this matter. > In the past I pushed a lot to have this feature. Together with me many > other USERS did the same... > Really, I cannot understand why we cannot have a tab on which any USER can > list his/her preferred modules and can order them as per his/her preferred > workflow. > > If I look to a car I probably can identify 70% of its visible components. > If I look to a disassembled car, I could identify 20% of components. > Despite this fact I drive a car every day and I know perfectly how to do a > lot of things because I am COMFORTABLE with its "GUI". > > My concern is we are not asking to change dt GUI. > We do not want to change the multi-sliders interface with a single-slide > one (LR, RT). > We simply ask to have a tab with a COMFORTABLE list of modules. > The pipeline is another matter. > > Only a TECHNICIAN can know very well how the pipeline works and why. > A normal user or also an advanced user (pro photographer) does not know > and, probably, does not care. > I have to develop an image trying to obtain a pleasant result. > I am a photographer (a USER), not an engineer (a TECHNICIAN). > > I have great respect for all devs putting such efforts in this software. > dt is really good and in the recent past months has growth a lot! > > Nevertheless I still cannot understand why users cannot be COMFORTABLE > with it... > > Thanks, > Maurizio > > Il giorno mer 17 feb 2021 alle ore 12:12 Archie Macintosh < > archie...@gmx.co.uk> ha scritto: > >> @Martin > I didn't say the developers aren't photographers. I know >> that some are colour scientists. And I didn't say anything about >> Lightroom. >> >> If some of the developers are professional GUI designers, I'm sorry I >> didn't know that. >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 10:07, Martin Straeten <martin.strae...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Thats nonsense. The darktable developers are not just linux developers >> but also photographers with much more experience in color science than most >> usual Lightroom users. This experience is manifestated in darktable. >> > If you're just looking for a free/linux Lightroom alternative then >> you're on the wrong playground here ... >> > >> > Am Mi., 17. Feb. 2021 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Archie Macintosh < >> archie...@gmx.co.uk>: >> >> >> >> @Kneops > You are raising a genuine issue. Linux applications – dt >> >> included – are built by some trully brilliant programmers; but they >> >> aren't GUI designers. The GUIs in free software often grow by >> >> accretion, user-feedback, design adjustments forced by software >> >> developments, and agreements between developers. Design issues are >> >> very much secondary to how the programming implements processes. >> >> >> >> So how users other than the developers themselves actually use (or >> >> want to use) the software is rarely a major consideration. And this >> >> isn't surprising: software development is demanding in time and skill; >> >> we're lucky to get the astonishing quality of work that goes into >> >> building dt, and to have developers who are passionate about finding >> >> computing solutions to difficult image-processing problems. You just >> >> don't find many designers who want to commit that amount of time and >> >> effort outside working hours. So people who aren't primarily designers >> >> do their best, but often bring their programming habits with them. >> >> (You'll have seen Bruce Williams looking perplexed in his excellent >> >> training videos when he has to explain why an ordered list starts at >> >> the botttom and goes up, unlike any ordered list you're likely to come >> >> across in daily life!) >> >> >> >> When users innocently raise issues about interface design, it can feel >> >> like nit-picking ingratitude.So it's not really surprising that some >> >> folk get irritated. Until a bounteous designer comes along, we must >> >> just be thankful for what we've got! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 08:34, Kneops <kne...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I started this topic/conversation about the GUI, but at first it was >> >> > just a question, if the order could be changed to make it feel more >> >> > logical and pleasant to me to work with. I now understand the >> reasoning >> >> > behind this and that it should not be changed. But underneath there >> is >> >> > more I must admit. >> >> > >> >> > Many friends who are photographers, amateur and professional, I have >> >> > pointed towards Linux because I love it and never want to go back to >> >> > Windows and Apple. They have mastered Gimp and love that program >> too, so >> >> > they never use Photoshop anymore. But they never mastered any raw >> editor >> >> > on Linux. All admit DT is extremely powerfull and the best one >> available >> >> > for Linux, but all stick to one of the (payed) alternatives on >> Windows >> >> > or Apple because they find them more intuitive and quicker and very >> >> > visual. They (and I) don't think in numbers, ranges and curves, but >> in >> >> > light, shadow, sharpness, blur, color, contrast, texture. LR for >> example >> >> > works as an extension of that mind and it named all tools to resemble >> >> > what the user 'feels' that has to be done to create a good image. I >> >> > think that is why it is so popular. >> >> > >> >> > I don't want to say LR is better than DT, absolutely not (!), but >> I'm a >> >> > trained photographer and after working with DT on and off for about 3 >> >> > years now, I still don't manage to get the results I want, and if I >> do >> >> > it takes much more work. 'Then pick another tool and stop >> complaining' >> >> > is a reply I sometimes get, and that is true too ;). The thing is I >> >> > regret that there is no real alternative to all the Windows/Apple >> >> > programs that could move more people over to Linux. So for now my >> >> > friends keep working on their Windows machines and I still have two >> >> > computers I have to switch between. One with LR and Capture One, and >> my >> >> > Linux pc for everything else. Meanwhile I hope for some other open >> >> > source raw editor emerging on the Linux platform and I bravely keep >> on >> >> > trying to master DT because I want to get rid of that Windows >> machine :). >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Op 16-02-2021 om 23:31 schreef Andrew Greig: >> >> > > >> >> > > In a similar fashion if you learn the order of progression of the >> tools >> >> > > in Darktable, your work will become more efficient and more >> pleasant. I >> >> > > have seen edits presented on YouTube which involve around 30 >> modules, >> >> > > apparently common in landscape photography, whereas I use around 6 >> >> > > modules as a rule, I am a studio photographer and I work on >> getting as >> >> > > much right as I can through metering and exposing correctly. Is >> there >> >> > > more I could do? Sure, and I do learn incrementally, but just what >> I need. >> >> > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> > darktable user mailing list >> >> > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> > >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> darktable user mailing list >> >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
