@Kneops > You are raising a genuine issue. Linux applications – dt included – are built by some trully brilliant programmers; but they aren't GUI designers. The GUIs in free software often grow by accretion, user-feedback, design adjustments forced by software developments, and agreements between developers. Design issues are very much secondary to how the programming implements processes.
So how users other than the developers themselves actually use (or want to use) the software is rarely a major consideration. And this isn't surprising: software development is demanding in time and skill; we're lucky to get the astonishing quality of work that goes into building dt, and to have developers who are passionate about finding computing solutions to difficult image-processing problems. You just don't find many designers who want to commit that amount of time and effort outside working hours. So people who aren't primarily designers do their best, but often bring their programming habits with them. (You'll have seen Bruce Williams looking perplexed in his excellent training videos when he has to explain why an ordered list starts at the botttom and goes up, unlike any ordered list you're likely to come across in daily life!) When users innocently raise issues about interface design, it can feel like nit-picking ingratitude.So it's not really surprising that some folk get irritated. Until a bounteous designer comes along, we must just be thankful for what we've got! On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 08:34, Kneops <kne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I started this topic/conversation about the GUI, but at first it was > just a question, if the order could be changed to make it feel more > logical and pleasant to me to work with. I now understand the reasoning > behind this and that it should not be changed. But underneath there is > more I must admit. > > Many friends who are photographers, amateur and professional, I have > pointed towards Linux because I love it and never want to go back to > Windows and Apple. They have mastered Gimp and love that program too, so > they never use Photoshop anymore. But they never mastered any raw editor > on Linux. All admit DT is extremely powerfull and the best one available > for Linux, but all stick to one of the (payed) alternatives on Windows > or Apple because they find them more intuitive and quicker and very > visual. They (and I) don't think in numbers, ranges and curves, but in > light, shadow, sharpness, blur, color, contrast, texture. LR for example > works as an extension of that mind and it named all tools to resemble > what the user 'feels' that has to be done to create a good image. I > think that is why it is so popular. > > I don't want to say LR is better than DT, absolutely not (!), but I'm a > trained photographer and after working with DT on and off for about 3 > years now, I still don't manage to get the results I want, and if I do > it takes much more work. 'Then pick another tool and stop complaining' > is a reply I sometimes get, and that is true too ;). The thing is I > regret that there is no real alternative to all the Windows/Apple > programs that could move more people over to Linux. So for now my > friends keep working on their Windows machines and I still have two > computers I have to switch between. One with LR and Capture One, and my > Linux pc for everything else. Meanwhile I hope for some other open > source raw editor emerging on the Linux platform and I bravely keep on > trying to master DT because I want to get rid of that Windows machine :). > > > > > > > > Op 16-02-2021 om 23:31 schreef Andrew Greig: > > > > In a similar fashion if you learn the order of progression of the tools > > in Darktable, your work will become more efficient and more pleasant. I > > have seen edits presented on YouTube which involve around 30 modules, > > apparently common in landscape photography, whereas I use around 6 > > modules as a rule, I am a studio photographer and I work on getting as > > much right as I can through metering and exposing correctly. Is there > > more I could do? Sure, and I do learn incrementally, but just what I need. > ____________________________________________________________________________ > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
