Some of the mail is not coming from a client.  I have mail auto generators
on some servers for certain apps, and websites.  If I try to send from an
alias I get relaying errors, since I can't use other settings, other then a
mailfrom.  So that's why I need a valid Email Address.

--Jason W. Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Frolick
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] mailbox forwarding no action


Why do they have to have a real mail box?  I send mail as aliases all
the time, my support, sales, postmaster, hostmaster, webmaster, staff,
etc., addresses are all aliases but I have no problem sending as them,
as long as the client is configured correctly.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason W. Allen
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] mailbox forwarding no action


It appears that I spoke too soon...

I have figured it out.  I really don't want to beat a dead horse, but I
really needed a solution for this.  We have Addresses that need to have
mail
come from them, but note really receive mail, that why it needs to have
a
real mailbox (valid user) to send mail.  Such as techsupport, etc.

But these mailboxes are forwarded to multiple people, but with the
configuration all the end mailboxes get a ton of spam, that's why it
very
important, that I find a solution.

So for anybody that's interested here is the fix.

For the mailbox that is currently forwarded:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove all the forwarding on this box.

Create an Alias that has the same name as the Mailbox:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forward this alias to the user(s) you need, to make sure that you can
use
the existing config files, make sure you forward to the Full Host, such
as
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  You can also setup the forwarding to a list
file,
See the Imail documentation for that.

There you have it.  Any spam that comes in for the Alias will get
redirected
before in gets tested by declude, making declude think that the message
came
directly to the end user and test it accordingly.

--Jason W. Allen


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason W. Allen
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] mailbox forwarding no action


So in other words, If I have mailboxes with forwarding on them Spam will
still get through.

Disappointing...

--Jason W. Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] mailbox forwarding no action



>I have added the ., to the forward file and now a copy of the message
gets
>moved to the spambox.  But the message still goes downstream to the
>forwarded to Users and does not get picked up as spam.

That is the way that it should work.  E-mail that is forwarded from one
user to another automatically in IMail (as opposed to aliases or
forwarding
from a mail client) bypasses any scanning.

>I think I follow the logic, of why this is not working: the message
comes
in
>from the outside, a copy is made to be processed by the forwarding
Engine,
>the external (original message) gets tested, and since I don't have a
copy
>being saved to the original recipient it doesn't do anything (since I
>enabled '.', it does get processed by declude and gets moved to the
>spambox--Correctly), the FWD Message does not get tested since it is
now
>internal to the server, and goes to the downstream users, never getting
>tested, no action is taken and spam gets through.  Is this the correct
>logic, or am I missing something?

Very close.  The forwarding is actually handled by IMail after the
E-mail
is processed by Declude, so there is no evidence of forwarding when
Declude
sees the E-mail.

>Is there a way around this, such as once the message is moved then it
is no
>longer forwarded, or that an internal message (the FWD message that
gets
>processed by the SMTP-FWD) gets scanned by the Junkmail?

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any way around this.

                                                    -Scott
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