oh shocker... :)

I think a combination of competency, which I agree would be meeting deadlines, combined with ability to communicate.

btw :) Someone who would respond to a question like how do you identify a good programmer with

'What do you mean? An excellent programmer = 2.5 good programmers = 10 mediocre programmers = infinite number of poor programmers...'

would generally fail part two :) Sorry Dave but had to say it.

Matt.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Coulter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Personally, I identify a good programmer by......   LOOKING IN THE MIRROR
......hahahaaha...well someone had to say it :-) :-)

Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 15 July 2005 16:10
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How do you identify a good programmer.

David O'Brien
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-----Original Message-----
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What do you mean?

An excellent programmer = 2.5 good programmers = 10 mediocre programmers =
infinite number of poor programmers

Something like that? Or are you meaning how do you identify a good
programmer?

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Secondly, how do employers rate a good programmer?

David O'Brien
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Sent: Friday, 15 July 2005 2:07 p.m.
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David

This is exactly my point, .Net was a reaction to Java, XAML is reactive to
XUL, Freedom to inovate, bullshit, I also find in hilarious that people who buy into the M$ justify it on the consistency of supply where recent history
would indicate the opposite

What I love about OS dev products is changes are total demand driven with no
subtext

n


David Brennan wrote:
It is a danger with .NET. Compare with Internet Explorer. IE got mega
bucks
thrown at it by Microsoft because they perceived a threat that
Netscape could eventually provide an alternative to the Windows
platform by having
a
multi-platform rich interface web browser.

Once Microsoft had strangled Netscape and ensure market dominance they
suddenly killed IE development. Almost all of the new technologies
which
had
been under development for a richer browser environment were
effectively
put
on hold at the same time... which was probably Microsoft's plan from
the start.

I see some parallels here. Java was getting too much popularity behind
it and it's cross platform nature and rich interface potential was/is
a
serious
threat. So .NET is unleashed upon the world.

The difference is that Java isn't likely to die like Netscape did. So
Microsoft may end up having to push .NET as their long term solution
rather
than just using it for a single battle. Only time will tell I guess.

David.-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On
Behalf Of Neven MacEwan
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2005 1:06 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [DUG] Skill shortage?

RE:


There are some big shops still using as far as I can tell, but a lot
have moved to .NET over the last 2 years.


Now that M$ have sucessfully used .net to restrict Java in the
middleware area, will they focus on the UI again and push XAML

In which case these guys will have to move again

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bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah..


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