If needed, I can translate the text and reupload the image. My German's not fantastic but there's nothing out of my range on this screenie.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Andrew Pullins <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png > > > wow this is grate, I don't know what it all says but thank you Google > translate. so would you click the drop down bar that says Application > Backg... and choose things like page color, margin outline color ect. And > the general would be things like, Tool Bars, Headers, Footers, and other > things. its better than what I was imagined when it was suggested. > > I think that the second option is good. It makes it so that you can select > exactly what you would want. > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Christopher Lee > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Ich finde dass ziemlich super! Und deine Emglisch ist auch ganz gut. ;) > > > > Okay, now that we've established that my Grammatik is not up to snuff, > your > > mockup looks really good. I'm not entirely sold on the second row > (General > > >> Application Background), but it's clear and useful. > > > > I am surprised that you didn't find it-- even in German, I found the > option > > relatively quickly. Then again, I had prior knowledge and some German to > > help. But the options dialogue as a whole could really use some love. > > > > Christopher Lee > > Executive Director > > Champion Debate > > > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Alex B <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Since i'm using OOo/libO for almost 2 years now, and never found the > > option to change the application background color, this can mean two > things: > > > > > > I. Something is wrong with me. > > > II. Something is wrong with the options dialog. > > > > > > > > > (in my defence, it's way harder to find in german, than in english) > > > > > > I took a deeper look at the options dialog and i must say, it's quite > > confusing sometimes, but thats an other topic. > > > > > > > > > I think, the whole apperance options would be easier to use if: > > > > > > - The apperance dialog is more prominent. > > > - A view color schemes are included in the default installation. > > > - There is a small live-preview. > > > > > > maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> And while I agree that it's not an art program, it's also fair to make > > this comparison considering how many colors are offered in the > LibreOffice > > options dialogue. We can deal with dropdown menus for changing font > colors > > since most people use a >limited selection anyway (of course, with a > Shore > > More . . . along the way), but there must be over a hundred offered in > those > > dropdown lists. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Christopher Lee > > >> Executive Director > > >> Champion Debate > > >> > > >> > > >> On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote: > > > > > >> this is not a Art program. but I see what you mean, palates are grate. > I > > >> am working on a new UI right now, and will be uploading my ideas in a > > few > > >> days... or maybe tomorrow. hope to get some feed back from everyone. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Christopher Lee > > >> <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])>wrote: > > >> > > >>>> I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read > > this. > > >>>> but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to > understand. > > >>>> probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole > > >>> thing. > > >>> Definitely. I don't see dropdown lists as being an ideal means of > > picking a > > >>> color for a multitude of reasons. 1) There are a lot of colors, and > > >>> scrolling through a long list is tedious. 2) You can only see a small > > >>> selection at any given time, making it harder to compare two colors. > 3) > > It's > > >>> difficult to guess where the colors are, as they're in no real > logical > > order > > >>> for the end user. 4) Lack of customization. 5) It's just not the > right > > >>> interface. Art programs use palates for a reason. > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Christopher Lee > > >>> Executive Director > > >>> Champion Debate > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read > > this. > > >>>> but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to > understand. > > >>>> probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole > > >>> thing. > > >>>> > > >>>> For all the user cares, a simplified image just showing the page, > the > > >>>>> general toolbar area, and so on would probably be sufficient > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I think that this is a good idea we could make different pages for > > what > > >>>> colors the user is choosing at that time. so when the user is > choosing > > >>> the > > >>>> page Header and page Footer it shows them what they will look like. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Christopher Lee > > >>>> <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])>wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I don't think it would be that hard to do a preview-- you wouldn't > > even > > >>>>> need to have it be completely representative. For all the user > cares, > > a > > >>>>> simplified image just showing the page, the general toolbar area, > and > > >>> so on > > >>>>> would probably be sufficient-- and it would be no harder to > implement > > >>> than > > >>>>> an apply button from a programming perspective (probably simpler, > > >>>>> actually!). I'm not saying Apply is bad, but the dialogue for > options > > >>> right > > >>>>> now is kind of huge, especially for tight screens. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Christopher Lee > > >>>>> Executive Director > > >>>>> Champion Debate > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Andrew Pullins wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I like the idea that the colors and them be a "live preview" it > > >>> will > > >>>>> just > > >>>>>> be some time before that is implemented it sounds complicated. but > > >>> till > > >>>>>> then I think that the Apply button will work nicely. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, RGB ES <[email protected] > (mailto: > > [email protected]) (mailto: > > >>> [email protected] (mailto:[email protected])) (mailto: > > >>>>> [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]))> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2011/7/15 Christopher Lee <[email protected] (mailto: > > [email protected]) (mailto: > > >>> [email protected] (mailto:[email protected])) (mailto: > > >>>>> [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]))>: > > >>>>>>>> Ricardo, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Already possible: Tools → Options → LibreOffice → Appearance → > > >>>>> change > > >>>>>>>>> "Application background" from "Default" to your preferred > > >>> colour. > > >>>>> If > > >>>>>>>>> you need a different colour define a new one under Tool → > > >>> Options → > > >>>>>>>>> LibreOffice → Colors: your new colour will be available when > > >>> you > > >>>>>>>>> change the background. > > >>>>>>>> It may already be possible, it's fairly deep in the menu trees > > >>> for > > >>>>>>> someone trying to do something simple. It's also not equipped > with > > >>> a > > >>>>> live > > >>>>>>> preview or any semblance of an attempt at matching color schemes, > > >>> and > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> color picker is kind of dated/ugly (choose from a dropdown list? > A > > >>>>> color? > > >>>>>>> Out of some forty or fifty sets? Not a good idea!). I think Alex > is > > >>>>> just > > >>>>>>> suggesting that 1) We could change the default, which is > sensible, > > >>> and > > >>>>> 2) At > > >>>>>>> least make it more apparent. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The whole LibO's colour management needs a rewrite, I think that > > >>>>>>> everyone agrees with that. IMHO, without a proper way to select > AND > > >>>>>>> define colours, the "already possible" solution is the only > > >>> possible > > >>>>>>> answer... we can talk for hours on end about how > > >>>>>>> difficult/deep/whatever the options are, but I think we need to > > >>>>>>> discuss first of all about the colour palette: only then we will > be > > >>>>>>> able to discuss how to use those colours. > > >>>>>>> For a "live preview" I think it is enough (1) to extend the > "Apply" > > >>>>>>> button we see on style management since 3.4 to the Option > dialogue. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> (1) In the mathematical sense of the word: I have no idea how > > >>>>>>> difficult it is to add the Apply button there, but I'm sure it is > > >>>>>>> enough to solve the problem, so it is a "Sufficient condition"... > > >>> :) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > >>> [email protected] (mailto: > > [email protected]) (mailto: > > >>> [email protected] (mailto: > 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